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Emkay · « **Reply #20 on:** June 16, 2016, 04:15:39 AM »

Quote from: Dan on June 16, 2016, 01:53:34 AM

The latter.

While I personally get some of the filthiest papers delivered daily to my door, do you not see the other side? Is every newspaper that has a blanket policy of no females run by nut jobs?

JTZ · « **Reply #21 on:** June 16, 2016, 06:27:46 AM »

We are talking about the POTUS not some 18 year old girl in a bikini. Blanket policies most of the time are a front for something else.

Emkay · « **Reply #22 on:** June 16, 2016, 06:51:48 AM »

Quote from: JTZ on June 16, 2016, 06:27:46 AM

We are talking about the POTUS not some 18 year old girl in a bikini. Blanket policies most of the time are a front for something else.

Blanket policies are way simpler to deal and cause less issues with their readership. Im not sure what you are trying to insinuate by the second sentence though.

JTZ · « **Reply #23 on:** June 16, 2016, 07:02:20 AM »

I am not trying to insinuate anything. While it might be simpler to deal with the women issue it is highly discriminatory. Most religions have been accused of treating women as the lesser of the two and this only strengthens that argument.

Emkay · « **Reply #24 on:** June 16, 2016, 07:16:42 AM »

Quote from: JTZ on June 16, 2016, 07:02:20 AM

I am not trying to insinuate anything. While it might be simpler to deal with the women issue it is highly discriminatory. Most religions have been accused of treating women as the lesser of the two and this only strengthens that argument.

We have gone through this a myriad of times here that Judaism does not believe that women are the lesser of the two and if you didn't get it the first 17 times frankly you probably wont get it now.

Dan · « **Reply #25 on:** June 16, 2016, 07:32:05 AM »

Remind me where the halacha is that you can't see a fully clothed woman?

JTZ · « **Reply #26 on:** June 16, 2016, 07:35:25 AM »

Quote from: Emkay on June 16, 2016, 07:16:42 AM

We have gone through this a myriad of times here that Judaism does not believe that women are the lesser of the two and if you didn't get it the first 17 times frankly you probably wont get it now.

I fully understand what you are saying. Not agreeing and not getting it are two different things. Actions speak louder than words. Not looking to rehash this.

smug · « **Reply #27 on:** June 16, 2016, 07:38:40 AM »

Shulchan Aruch Even Haezer siman chaf-alef

Dan · « **Reply #28 on:** June 16, 2016, 07:49:12 AM »

More specific please.

Emkay · « **Reply #29 on:** June 16, 2016, 07:49:48 AM »

Quote from: Dan on June 16, 2016, 07:32:05 AM

Remind me where the halacha is that you can't see a fully clothed woman?

Quote from: Emkay on June 16, 2016, 06:51:48 AM

Blanket policies.

Emkay · « **Reply #30 on:** June 16, 2016, 07:51:17 AM »

Quote from: smug on June 16, 2016, 07:38:40 AM

Shulchan Aruch Even Haezer siman chaf-alef

It doesn't really say that.

Centro · « **Reply #31 on:** June 16, 2016, 07:52:53 AM »

Quote from: JTZ on June 16, 2016, 01:04:03 AM

Ultra religious or nut cases?

Quote from: Dan on June 16, 2016, 01:53:34 AM

The latter.

So there's 2 people,

1. Who'd put his soul in danger by going to Times Square (or any other populated area) where there's lots of half clothed women to put on tfilin for non observant people.

2. Who wouldn't look at a photo of even clothed women (not discussing if its prohibited by halucha) just for God's sake.

So whom would you call nut case???

smug · « **Reply #32 on:** June 16, 2016, 07:54:49 AM »

especially siman gimmel- unless your thinking of marrying her

Emkay · « **Reply #33 on:** June 16, 2016, 08:08:55 AM »

Quote from: smug on June 16, 2016, 07:54:49 AM

especially siman gimmel- unless your thinking of marrying her

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Dan · « **Reply #34 on:** June 16, 2016, 08:12:33 AM »

Quote from: Centro on June 16, 2016, 07:52:53 AM

So there's 2 people,

1. Who'd put his soul in danger by going to Times Square (or any other populated area) where there's lots of half clothed women to put on tfilin for non observant people.

2. Who wouldn't look at a photo of even clothed women (not discussing if its prohibited by halucha) just for God's sake.

So whom would you call nut case???

Sounds like #1 is having mesiras nefesh to help fulfill one of the Rambam's 13 principles of Judaism, while #2 is being extreme well beyond the limits of halacha and is aiding a chillul hashem.

smug · « **Reply #35 on:** June 16, 2016, 08:16:23 AM »

read it again. even when muttar i.e to marry it cant be derech znus

Dan · « **Reply #36 on:** June 16, 2016, 08:30:43 AM »

Quote from: smug on June 16, 2016, 08:16:23 AM

read it again. even when muttar i.e to marry it cant be derech znus

Emkay · « **Reply #37 on:** June 16, 2016, 08:33:34 AM »

Quote from: Dan on June 16, 2016, 08:12:33 AM

Sounds like #1 is having mesiras nefesh to help fulfill one of the Rambam's 13 principles of Judaism.

I actually eat pork on Tuesdays and Fridays but its fine because I make people frum like that.

Dan · « **Reply #38 on:** June 16, 2016, 08:34:28 AM »

The bottom line is this, if you're doing something (photoshopping out clothed women, delaying planes, etc) that bring massive bad publicity, you need to take a step back and see if what you're doing is really worth fighting for.

Is there halachic basis for what you're doing? Is there something that can be done to avoid making international headlines making chareidim look bad such as buying a 2nd seat if that's your strongly held conviction?

It's easy to say that something isn't a chillul hashem if it's halacha. But how can you claim that when you're doing something that's beyond halacha?

Dan · « **Reply #39 on:** June 16, 2016, 08:35:10 AM »

Quote from: Emkay on June 16, 2016, 08:33:34 AM

I actually eat pork on Tuesdays and Fridays but its fine because I make people frum like that.

Right, walking in Times Square is the same as eating pork, great comparison!
I'm assuming you never leave your house in the summer, correct?