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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #90 on: June 16, 2016, 09:58:47 AM »
So you don't like being looked upon as a fringe religion? Even if that perception maybe wrong? Are you embarrassed about your Judaism? Should we switch around our customs and practices because of our self consciousness of the way the gentiles will perceive us?
Please answer Yes or no.
Unlike others I do answer questions without the double talk.
No I don't.
Correct
N/A
No

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #91 on: June 16, 2016, 09:58:52 AM »



What should be the geder about which females they post?
What should they consider dressed modestly enough?

How's halacha as a geder?

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #92 on: June 16, 2016, 09:59:15 AM »
If it's causing a massive C"H without halachic basis? Of course.

Who decided it's without halachic basis? perhaps they have a more stringent view of Halacho? Perhaps we don't know all the relevant sources to decide for them what's halacho?
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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #93 on: June 16, 2016, 10:00:50 AM »

How's halacha as a geder?
Again, what halacho is everyone referring to? Perhaps they are indeed following their posek's interpretation of halacho?!
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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #94 on: June 16, 2016, 10:01:22 AM »
Unlike others I do answer questions without the double talk.
No I don't.
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No

Bingo!
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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #95 on: June 16, 2016, 10:01:41 AM »
Dan, you have a huge misconception of what a CH is. You think as long as the world looks at it in a bad way it's a CH, well that is not the case. If it's the right thing then it doesn't make a difference how big of an uproar it causes.
 (I'm not taking sides on the Hillary issues, I just keep seeing stupidity written about CH)

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #96 on: June 16, 2016, 10:03:47 AM »
Bingo!
Just don't complain when the rest of the world looks at it as a bunch of nut cases.
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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #97 on: June 16, 2016, 10:04:01 AM »
Dan, you have a huge misconception of what a CH is. You think as long as the world looks at it in a bad way it's a CH, well that is not the case. If it's the right thing then it doesn't make a difference how big of an uproar it causes.
 (I'm not taking sides on the Hillary issues, I just keep seeing stupidity written about CH)
Please show me the halachic source of how PSing out fully clothed women and delaying planes because you were too cheap to buy a 2nd seat is the right thing.
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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #98 on: June 16, 2016, 10:04:57 AM »
Unlike others I do answer questions without the double talk.
No I don't.
Correct
N/A
No


Something like
world perception is meaningful but not at the top of the priority list.
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion.

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #99 on: June 16, 2016, 10:05:54 AM »
Photoshopping Hillary out of that picture was an undeniably brainless thing to do. If you have a problem showing women, don't publish the picture at all, simple as that.

At the end of the day though, "the Prophet exists to sell itself, you silly girl". Whether it's right or wrong, printing pictures of Hillary will unquestionably tick off a large amount of readers; ergo it won't be published.


Names of women should also be removed.

They already do that in the Yiddish newspapers. She exists only as "פרוי קלינטאן" :-X.
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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #100 on: June 16, 2016, 10:06:03 AM »
Please show me the source of how PSing out fully clothed women and delaying planes because you were too cheap to buy a 2nd seat is the right thing.
I said I'm not getting involved in specific cases just addressing your point that you keep saying that if it's gonna cause an uproar that = a CH and that's not the case.

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #101 on: June 16, 2016, 10:07:11 AM »
Please show me the halachic source of how PSing out fully clothed women and delaying planes because you were too cheap to buy a 2nd seat is the right thing.
There are definitely better ways than Photoshop. Just leave out the picture. Note that the paper involved there was NOT a aminstream one.
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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #102 on: June 16, 2016, 10:10:15 AM »

How's halacha as a geder?
So its that simple.
Ok, so can you please tell me in a couple sentences the definite halacha as to what is ok and what is not. Please be very specific.

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #103 on: June 16, 2016, 10:23:18 AM »
If you are ok with PS woman out you should have no issue with woman choosing to wear a burqa. Hopefully it catches on as well.

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #104 on: June 16, 2016, 10:24:57 AM »
Dan, you have a huge misconception of what a CH is. You think as long as the world looks at it in a bad way it's a CH, well that is not the case. If it's the right thing then it doesn't make a difference how big of an uproar it causes.
 (I'm not taking sides on the Hillary issues, I just keep seeing stupidity written about CH)

+100
It a very common mistake.

In regarding the mesiras nefesh  to go to times square, I read a  Teshuvah from R' Sherlo  permitting shaking a womans hands שלא בדרך חיבה. His bases is, nigah is a machlokes if it is דאורייתא or Derabononand, embarrassing a person is defiantly a דאורייתא . 
לשיטתו נל"ל you can eat chicken in milk served by a person that will get embarrassed if you dont eat it.


Also see this for lots of mamrei chazal http://www.aspaklaria.info/090_TSADI/%D7%A6%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%A2%D7%95%D7%AA.htm

דתניא לא יהלך אדם אחורי אשה בדרך ואפילו היא אשתו, נזדמנה על הגשר יסלקנה לצדדין, וכל העובר אחורי אשה בנהר אין לו חלק לעולם הבא. תנו רבנן המרצה מעות לאשה מידו לידה או מידה לידו בשביל שיסתכל בה, אפילו דומה למשה רבינו שקיבל תורה מהר סיני לא ינקה מדינה של גיהנם, ועליו הכתוב אומר יד ליד לא ינקה רע, לא ינקה מדינה של גיהנם. אמר רב נחמן מנוח עם הארץ היה, שנאמר ויקם וילך מנוח אחרי אשתו... אמר רב אשי ולמאי דאמר רב נחמן מנוח עם הארץ היה אפילו בי רב נמי לא קרא, דכתיב ותקם רבקה ונערותיה ותרכבנה על הגמלים ותלכנה אחרי האיש, ולא לפני האיש, אמר רבי יוחנן אחרי ארי ולא אחרי אשה, אחרי אשה ולא אחרי עבודת כוכבים... (עירובין יח ב)

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