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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #135 on: June 16, 2016, 12:48:25 PM »
My comfort means nothing.  I'm not inherently uncomfortable with what they do.  I only have a problem since it's a CH, IMO.
A chilul hashem is based on what hashem considers a chilul. Hence :
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Just because it makes you uncomfortable, doesn't mean hashem is uncomfortable

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #136 on: June 16, 2016, 12:52:47 PM »
Question: if torah /halacha mandates or even approves something, should we care that people say "“That’s how Jews act?” or “That’s how religious people act?”
You can start saying that about shaking woman's hands, taking a mincha break, not joining your co-workers for lunch. vedal .
Halacha is halacha.

Yes, you should care, but obviously a clear assei/lo sasaei will override it.

However, when something is being implemented as a geder or out of a personal decision to be more stringent then it's given more weight.

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #137 on: June 16, 2016, 12:54:32 PM »
Question: if torah /halacha mandates or even approves something, should we care that people say "“That’s how Jews act?” or “That’s how religious people act?”
You can start saying that about shaking woman's hands, taking a mincha break, not joining your co-workers for lunch. vedal .
Halacha is halacha.
Even in הלכה there is the idea of דרכי שלום though

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #138 on: June 16, 2016, 12:54:51 PM »
A chilul hashem is based on what hashem considers a chilul. Hence :

Right, and anything that makes people say "look at those Jews" Hashem considers a chillul.

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #139 on: June 16, 2016, 12:58:45 PM »
Right, and anything that makes people say "look at those Jews" Hashem considers a chillul.
Wrong wrong and wrong!

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #140 on: June 16, 2016, 01:01:51 PM »
Wrong wrong and wrong!

Welcome to the conversation.  Now go read through the past few pages, learn the sugya, than report back.  Thanks!

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #141 on: June 16, 2016, 01:04:10 PM »
Right, and anything that makes people say "look at those Jews" Hashem considers a chillul.
absoulutely incorrect. Halacha dictates that only doing an aveira can be a Chillul Hashem. So if you eat something without making a bracha more likely you are oiver on CH then by not posting a pic of the democratic nominee.

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #142 on: June 16, 2016, 01:04:26 PM »
I don't recall if the Gemara specifies whether the butcher was Jewish or not, so I can't say until I go back over the sugya, but I still maintain that this can be a CH.

I'll do you a favor; look at that gemara. You'll get much better material. There are much better examples there for your cause than not paying the butcher right away.
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #143 on: June 16, 2016, 01:05:44 PM »
Right, and anything that makes people say "look at those Jews" Hashem considers a chillul.
Like those Jews that take off every other week for holidays? Or those Jews that can't shake my wife's hand? Or those Jews that refuse to eat my food?
Wrong wrong and wrong!

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #144 on: June 16, 2016, 01:07:34 PM »
Right, and anything that makes people say "look at those Jews" Hashem considers a chillul.
There's many things that we Jews do that causes goyim to the say "look at those Jews"
One day you might (don't take me literally) cut out portions of the shilchen urich to prevent the "look at those Jews" issue..

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #145 on: June 16, 2016, 01:09:51 PM »
There's many things that we Jews do that causes goyim to the say "look at those Jews"
One day you might (don't take me literally) cut out portions of the shilchen urich to prevent the "look at those Jews" issue..
That's how reform started

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #146 on: June 16, 2016, 01:14:58 PM »
absoulutely incorrect. Halacha dictates that only doing an aveira can be a Chillul Hashem.

That is 100% incorrect according to every shita I've ever seen.  You have a source to back that up?

I'll do you a favor; look at that gemara. You'll get much better material. There are much better examples there for your cause than not paying the butcher right away.


Will do.  It's been a while since I hashed this out with AJ before he was banned.

Like those Jews that take off every other week for holidays? Or those Jews that can't shake my wife's hand? Or those Jews that refuse to eat my food?

Did you read my prior response?  We're not discussing a clear lav hear (presumbaly).

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Was photoshopping HRC out of the war room picture a chillul hashem?

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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #147 on: June 16, 2016, 01:16:37 PM »
Even according to the shittah that gezel akum is muttar its still considered a chillul hashem. It doesnt matter if it wouldv been muttar w/o chilul hashem


Or this is said by taus akum? Either way, the point is the same
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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #148 on: June 16, 2016, 01:19:44 PM »
Was photoshopping HRC out of the war room picture a chillul hashem?
Yes. They should have not printed it, or cut out/replace it with a different one
It's only a chilul hashem because there were other solutions. You don't like a picture you don't need to print it. But don't go around photoshopping. That doesn't mean they wrong about the idea of not having woman pictures
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Re: what will Hamodia do if Hillary becomes President?
« Reply #149 on: June 16, 2016, 01:30:29 PM »



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Was photoshopping HRC out of the war room picture a chillul hashem?

I wouldn't have done it. Taking her out of a picture is worse than publishing no picture. It looked like they were pretending she didn't exist and wasn't involved.
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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