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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #1110 on: July 24, 2019, 12:37:41 AM »
Where did you get that from?
Just so there is no confusion most marijuana users DO NOT go on to harder drugs.
Stick to the non-Jewish community which you claim to know about.  :)
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #1111 on: July 24, 2019, 12:52:26 AM »
FTF all of us
If you can't bring any facts to the discussion just post in the political thread.  :P
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #1112 on: July 24, 2019, 08:00:29 AM »
Where did you get that from?
Just so there is no confusion most marijuana users DO NOT go on to harder drugs.
that is entirely not the question . the question is how many hard drug users started out on marijuana
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #1113 on: July 24, 2019, 08:08:47 AM »
that is entirely not the question . the question is how many hard drug users started out on marijuana
How many hard drug users started out on breast milk? The questions are meaningless.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #1114 on: July 24, 2019, 08:15:37 AM »
How many hard drug users started out on breast milk? The questions are meaningless.
wow are you a hard person to have a honest conversation with .
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #1115 on: July 24, 2019, 08:21:59 AM »
wow are you a hard person to have a honest conversation with .
If you want to have an honest discussion then address the point I made. Don't try and confuse the issue.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #1116 on: July 24, 2019, 08:26:37 AM »
How many hard drug users started out on breast milk? The questions are meaningless.
There are many things which are not prohibited, yet we set boundaries and make guidelines to protect against abuses and excess. The behaviors that an addict exhibits usually comes from ignoring the boundaries and indulging in the excesses.

Pot use is on the rise because 1. It is more readily available due to decriminalization on the state and local levels; and 2. Because it is an easy tool escape reality.

When someone is an addict and the prohibited or formerly prohibited vice is now more readily available. Or, if the social stigma of the vice has been diminished or removed entirely. What do you think will happen? Of course they will indulge in the excess.

Therefore, the solution has always been, in our community, to set boundaries, even for permitted things. So speaking about Pot is absolutely crucial and relevant.

A community without boundaries such as the secular world at large will not understand this.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #1117 on: July 24, 2019, 08:36:50 AM »
There are many things which are not prohibited, yet we set boundaries and make guidelines to protect against abuses and excess. The behaviors that an addict exhibits usually comes from ignoring the boundaries and indulging in the excesses.

Pot use is on the rise because 1. It is more readily available due to decriminalization on the state and local levels; and 2. Because it is an easy tool escape reality.

When someone is an addict and the prohibited or formerly prohibited vice is now more readily available. Or, if the social stigma of the vice has been diminished or removed entirely. What do you think will happen? Of course they will indulge in the excess.

Therefore, the solution has always been, in our community, to set boundaries, even for permitted things. So speaking about Pot is absolutely crucial and relevant.

A community without boundaries such as the secular world at large will not understand this.
If you are coming from a place where you think (community) you are special we will never agree on anything.

It seems you are talking about the dangers of addicts using pots. That is totally different point/discussion.

My point is smoking pot does not lead to becoming a drug addict.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #1118 on: July 24, 2019, 08:42:55 AM »
If you are coming from a place where you think (community) you are special we will never agree on anything.

It seems you are talking about the dangers of addicts using pots. That is totally different point/discussion.

My point is smoking pot does not lead to becoming a drug addict.

And you are coming from a place where you have no clue about our special community. So as previously stated...

Im not trying to say anything you would comprehend. You are free to comment on things you know. This is something you know nothing about...i.e. drug use in the religious Jewish community.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #1119 on: July 24, 2019, 08:47:25 AM »
And you are coming from a place where you have no clue about our special community. So as previously stated...
Just what I thought. You have no facts so you spew non-sense.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #1120 on: July 24, 2019, 08:57:51 AM »
Just what I thought. You have no facts so you spew non-sense.
My life experiences do not care about your facts as they do not pertain to the circumstances at hand. Your comment about what the lecture should have been speaking about based on your understandings are asinine. He spoke about what the issues are in our community to attendees that live in our community. Who cares what your facts are. They dont pertain to the facts on the ground. It may seem like nonsense to you. But it is the reality where we come from.

Orthodox Jewish kids dont know how to do drugs. They dont know how to get arrested. And many other examples. Not that they dont...they dont know HOW to...i.e. they always make the situation worse than it should or could be.

When you do drugs as rebellion and then out of the blue get to do drugs as recreational the lines get blurred very quickly.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #1121 on: July 24, 2019, 09:07:59 AM »
Here is what I said before you went off on your tangent.
I sure hope he addressed real drugs and not pot.
Pot is not the reason kids are dying in your community or any other community. Pot is not the reason kids are becoming addicts in your community or any other community. You want to dispute that with facts go right ahead. You can't and we both know it.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #1122 on: July 24, 2019, 09:24:00 AM »
I think it's fair to say that most of what makes pot bad is that it is illegal. Scientifically, it's no worse than alcholol (in fact, alcohol in excess is much worse than pot). The concern is that the guy who buys pot is inherently doing something worse than the guy who drinks too much at kiddush every week. That pot is a gateway drug or not is not relevant - the type of person who has no qualms buying pot from a drug dealer is probably not much different than the person who buys meth.

If pot were legal, I don't think it would be as big of a deal in our communities. High schools would probably stop drug testing for it (I've never heard of a school giving a breathalyzer). As legalization in NY/NJ becomes more likely, I think in 5 years, we wouldn't have the same attitude.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #1123 on: July 24, 2019, 09:27:07 AM »
I think it's fair to say that most of what makes pot bad is that it is illegal. Scientifically, it's no worse than alcholol (in fact, alcohol in excess is much worse than pot). The concern is that the guy who buys pot is inherently doing something worse than the guy who drinks too much at kiddush every week. That pot is a gateway drug or not is not relevant - the type of person who has no qualms buying pot from a drug dealer is probably not much different than the person who buys meth.

If pot were legal, I don't think it would be as big of a deal in our communities. High schools would probably stop drug testing for it (I've never heard of a school giving a breathalyzer). As legalization in NY/NJ becomes more likely, I think in 5 years, we wouldn't have the same attitude.
Pot will be legal nation wide shortly.
Never told my kids this but if they were going to do alcohol or pot I would hope they choose pot.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #1124 on: July 24, 2019, 09:41:16 AM »
I don't think the problem in our community is pot. You can argue with that but just because many of the people who end up turning to harder drugs also did pot first, doesn't mean that the problem is pot. I know many people with varying degrees of frumkeit who smoke pot with varying regularity, some very often, some very infrequently but I don't see reason to think that it is the cause of greater issues any more than alcohol or anything else (as an aside, the abuse of alcohol in our community is also a major problem.) I think that the fact that the number of people in our community who are smoking pot is growing, is because of the shift of said people more towards the secular world which doesn't see smoking pot as something bad or something that should be stigmatized. Can it lead to bigger problems? Sure, but I think it's another symptom of the same problem, not the problem in and of itself. I think the majority of kids who ends up doing heroin may have started with pot but the reason they ended up doing heroin is not that they smoked pot first. This being said, I am not blind to the problem with opioids that we have in our community. My father happens to be a medical professional who works in this field, not in the Jewish community per se, but he has been involved with frum people before. (If anyone here would like to get in touch with him I would be more than happy to give his contact info privately.) I just don't think that blaming the problem on pot is doing anyone any favors, especially since the number of people who smoke pot in our communities is going to grow as it becomes more accepted and legal in the general population anyway. Just my $.02, you're welcome to disagree but this is how I see it.
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