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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #1160 on: July 24, 2019, 01:18:55 PM »
Ok, that makes sense, I wasn't saying one way or the other, I was just wondering what the data was.
I think the age factor will point to the difference between prescription abuse vs other forms of drug abuse. For example there were 2 older people that died whose problems did start from prescription abuse.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #1161 on: July 24, 2019, 01:27:28 PM »
I vote...recreational pot use as the starting point...you are free to choose your own starting point.
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Starting point is IMHO mental/emotional issues. The drug or alcohol abuse is an outlet/symptom. I would think that an adolescent who feels safe, secure and spiritually and emotionally well-nourished, isn't likely to get addicted to alcohol, pot, or other things.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #1162 on: July 24, 2019, 01:36:01 PM »
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Starting point is IMHO mental/emotional issues. The drug or alcohol abuse is an outlet/symptom. I would think that an adolescent who feels safe, secure and spiritually and emotionally well-nourished, isn't likely to get addicted to alcohol, pot, or other things.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #1163 on: July 24, 2019, 02:24:27 PM »
I dont know anyone that went to heroin as a first drug of choice. Do you?
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #1164 on: July 24, 2019, 02:25:41 PM »
Starting point is IMHO mental/emotional issues. The drug or alcohol abuse is an outlet/symptom. I would think that an adolescent who feels safe, secure and spiritually and emotionally well-nourished, isn't likely to get addicted to alcohol, pot, or other things.
...and that is a rap.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #1165 on: July 24, 2019, 02:27:19 PM »
I vote...recreational pot use as the starting point...you are free to choose your own starting point.

What percentage of recreational pot users in the frum community smoked cigarettes first?
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #1166 on: July 24, 2019, 02:31:21 PM »
What percentage of recreational pot smokers in the frum community smoked cigarettes first?
Probably 100%
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #1167 on: July 24, 2019, 02:32:09 PM »
Probably 100%
Ok so the real problem is cigarettes?
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #1168 on: July 24, 2019, 02:52:26 PM »
Ok so the real problem is cigarettes?
The real problem is that people are born. If we could somehow stop that, then there wouldnt be any issues.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #1169 on: July 24, 2019, 03:00:16 PM »
The real problem is that people are born. If we could somehow stop that, then there wouldnt be any issues.

AKA the greatest detriment to one's health is living.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #1170 on: July 24, 2019, 03:00:52 PM »
The real problem is that people are born. If we could somehow stop that, then there wouldnt be any issues.
That's a different thread
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #1171 on: July 24, 2019, 03:16:45 PM »
It's well known that smoking is the biggest cause of statistics.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #1172 on: July 24, 2019, 03:56:05 PM »
The real problem is that people are born. If we could somehow stop that, then there wouldnt be any issues.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #1173 on: July 24, 2019, 04:04:02 PM »
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I was thinking along the lines of Al korchach atoh chai, but I dont have a hebrew keyboard.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #1174 on: July 25, 2019, 02:36:47 AM »
I was thinking along the lines of Al korchach atoh chai, but I dont have a hebrew keyboard.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #1175 on: July 25, 2019, 12:40:29 PM »
The argument is really over what "gateway" means. Pot does not cause people to become addicted to other substances, or even encourage them to try other substances. However, it is often a step on the path towards addiction, and therefore is a gateway to other drugs.

Someone who is looking for a high, whether as an escape or for fun, will generally use the most accessible tools, or the ones deemed most safe. In that regard, both alcohol and pot are "starter" or "gateway" drugs. That doesn't mean that drinking or smoking will lead to an OD, but that can be warning signs of a deeper issue. To that regard, there is great value in teaching teenagers about the dangers of alcohol and marijuana. To discount it by saying, "They aren't talking about heroin, so it's meaningless," is akin to not warning them about speeding because you haven't addressed drag racing or driving under the influence.

To say that pot use cannot lead to heroin is also a fallacy. How many people discovered they can mask their feelings and issues by drinking or smoking and therefore don't get the help they need? And since pot doesn't fix their issues, there is a chance that they will chase a greater high. Additionally, by hanging out with other people who may be doing the same thing, they now have a much greater exposure to the drug culture and harder drugs.

That being said, I agree with CV that I'd rather my kids smoke pot than drink alcohol. I have friends and family on all levels of the usage/addiction spectrum. Anything that affects your brain has an element of danger to it. Educating youth on responsible and appropriate use of those things is of paramount importance, and I'm glad the Chabad schools are starting to take it seriously.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #1176 on: March 06, 2020, 03:29:16 PM »
And another one...  :-[

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Re: Silent Killer
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #1178 on: March 08, 2020, 03:55:33 AM »
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #1179 on: March 19, 2020, 03:46:26 PM »
He might have meant the coronavirus.
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