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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #60 on: July 17, 2016, 09:39:47 AM »
When they will name the 77, you'll see how stupid that articles was.
They shouldn't, and hopefully never will.

What about that list makes the article stupid?

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #61 on: July 17, 2016, 09:40:51 AM »
Gee, that this thread should be deleted because anyone that needs help is already getting it.
Awareness is not necessary and we should condemn anyone who is pretending to help.
Just to clarify, there are many many issues that need addressing. Addiction is a prime example. There is nowhere near enough awareness.
Il give you an example that I know of. - a recovering alcoholic is struggling to stay dry. At a kiddush, his friends actively encourage him to have a drink etc.. they are not aware of the struggles of an alcoholic and have no idea what this even means.
Drug abuse - most frum parents/spouses are not aware of the symptoms until it's way to late....

Both of these examples would never happen in general society where everyone is aware of alcoholism, recovery, addiction and drugs.

On the other hand, physiological therapy is no longer stigmatized in the frum community. In Lakewood there are hundreds of therapists. In the average Lakewood class room at least 3 kids are seeing a therapist.
There is plenty of awareness of both mental illness and family/social situations that require attention.

So making the argument about mental health stigmatization, which was valid 20 years ago, detracts from the real issues.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #62 on: July 17, 2016, 09:41:41 AM »
I did not mean that we shouldn't look at other communities to help us understand what the issue. All I meant was that as long as there is what we can do to prevent it from happening then we should work on it regardless of the prevelancy verse others.
Of course that is true, but if we want real solutions, we need real data, not whatever attracts the most attention, even if it's misleading.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #63 on: July 17, 2016, 09:43:06 AM »
Just to clarify, there are many many issues that need addressing. Addiction is a prime example. There is nowhere near enough awareness.
Il give you an example that I know of. - a recovering alcoholic is struggling to stay dry. At a kiddush, his friends actively encourage him to have a drink etc.. they are not aware of the struggles of an alcoholic and have no idea what this even means.
Drug abuse - most frum parents/spouses are not aware of the symptoms until it's way to late....

Both of these examples would never happen in general society where everyone is aware of alcoholism, recovery, addiction and drugs.

On the other hand, physiological therapy is no longer stigmatized in the frum community. In Lakewood there are hundreds of therapists. In the average Lakewood class room at least 3 kids are seeing a therapist.
There is plenty of awareness of both mental illness and family/social situations that require attention.

So making the argument about mental health stigmatization, which was valid 20 years ago, detracts from the real issues.

I assume you mean psychotherapy?

Good point, though. I think what bothers me is not bringing attention to it, but not focusing on helpful information, just shock material.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #64 on: July 17, 2016, 09:43:25 AM »

I assume you mean psychotherapy?
Right

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #65 on: July 17, 2016, 09:58:40 AM »
Just to clarify, there are many many issues that need addressing. Addiction is a prime example. There is nowhere near enough awareness.
Il give you an example that I know of. - a recovering alcoholic is struggling to stay dry. At a kiddush, his friends actively encourage him to have a drink etc.. they are not aware of the struggles of an alcoholic and have no idea what this even means.
Drug abuse - most frum parents/spouses are not aware of the symptoms until it's way to late....

Both of these examples would never happen in general society where everyone is aware of alcoholism, recovery, addiction and drugs.

On the other hand, physiological therapy is no longer stigmatized in the frum community. In Lakewood there are hundreds of therapists. In the average Lakewood class room at least 3 kids are seeing a therapist.
There is plenty of awareness of both mental illness and family/social situations that require attention.

So making the argument about mental health stigmatization, which was valid 20 years ago, detracts from the real issues.
+1 to all this,  but mental health issues may be much more stigmatized in other communities.  Your exposure is to Lakewood. 

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #66 on: July 17, 2016, 10:00:09 AM »
They shouldn't, and hopefully never will.

What about that list makes the article stupid?

Because they don't exist.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #67 on: July 17, 2016, 10:21:12 AM »
Because they don't exist.
Baloney,  I'm surprised it's not more. 

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #68 on: July 17, 2016, 11:40:38 AM »
Because they don't exist.
It's pretty hard to assert that something does NOT exist.
What are you basing this on?

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #69 on: July 17, 2016, 12:00:16 PM »
Exactly. The vast majority of the mentally ill from our community are aggressively treated.

The stigma days are long gone.

It is true though that shiduchim is a concern for the mentally ill, but it's just as much or even more of a concern for the physically ill.

From what I hear, that may be true in your community and mine, but not so much in the Chassidish circles, where a lot of these cases come from.

Some people here are off their minds. Tip to Aaron, don't be shy to get your issues taken care of.

I unfortunately know more than enough people who use therapy. Why do people love love when they can say "we have problems in our community"

Lol, grow up, kid.  You're way too sensitive to people mentioning anything negative about our religion.  It's definitely not helpful.

« Last Edit: July 17, 2016, 01:03:16 PM by Aaaron »

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #70 on: July 17, 2016, 12:39:33 PM »


Because I want to pretend they don't exist.

FTFY

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #71 on: July 17, 2016, 12:42:22 PM »
From what I hear, that may be true in your community and mine, but not so much in the Chassidish circles, where a lot of these cases come from.

Lol, grow up, kid.  You're way too sensitive to people mentioning anything negative about our religion.  It's definitely not helpful.

And maybe you need to examine your social circle if you know that many people in therapy.
Then I don't know how much discussing it online will accomplish (not that there's anything so bad about discussing it).

Sure, there are plenty of Chassidim online, but they are probably aware of it already.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #72 on: July 17, 2016, 12:55:05 PM »


And maybe you need to examine your social circle if you know that many people in therapy.

*This* is the type of comment which perpetuates the stigma.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #73 on: July 17, 2016, 01:03:26 PM »

*This* is the type of comment which perpetuates the stigma.

True.  Edited.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #74 on: July 17, 2016, 01:05:40 PM »
Because they don't exist.
What if it's "only" 35 overdoses this year, not enough to have to "do something"?

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #75 on: July 17, 2016, 01:10:10 PM »
What if it's "only" 35 overdoses this year, not enough to have to "do something"?
You could ask that question to the activists trumpeting numbers as well.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #76 on: July 17, 2016, 01:12:28 PM »
What if it's "only" 35 overdoses this year, not enough to have to "do something"?
So let us all attack with the most powerful adjectives in our arsenal.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #77 on: July 17, 2016, 01:12:28 PM »
You could ask that question to the activists trumpeting numbers as well.
They obviously have an organization who offer assistance. I don't know much about them, but this is a way of raising funds.
No different than RCCS counting cancer patients in Lakewood for fundraising...
It's distasteful, but necessary to get people to wake up and act ($)

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #78 on: July 17, 2016, 09:45:29 PM »
They obviously have an organization who offer assistance. I don't know much about them, but this is a way of raising funds.
No different than RCCS counting cancer patients in Lakewood for fundraising...
It's distasteful, but necessary to get people to wake up and act ($)
Someone donating would want to know how big of a need there is. Most people don't have unlimited resources and will allocate according to how big the issue is.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #79 on: July 17, 2016, 09:58:10 PM »
Because making up numbers doesn't help the cause.

Give some backup for me to believe this outlandish claim.