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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #885 on: July 20, 2017, 04:09:26 PM »
I don't think trauma, anxiety, depression, low self-esteem, or PTSD (to name a few) are character defects.
You are looking at them as defects in a person. Thats not what i mean. They may be environmental defects that affected a person and 12 steps will help with those in conjunction with therapy and sometimes even meds.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #886 on: July 20, 2017, 04:52:53 PM »
What do you know about neuroscience and what does and doesn't change brain chemistry?
More than you may realize. EVERYTHING affects brain chemistry. That is what neuroplasticity is mostly about. Family support affects brain chemistry in a way that make self control easier, for example. If this is what is being referred to by chemical imbalance in the brain then everything I had mentioned as promoting self control similarly affects brain chemistry. My mentions of self control were never that we should simply tell an addict that they shoould have some self control contrary no matter what hvaces42's responses to me may lead you to believe. He simply does not grasp what I am saying.
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The thing with the hamster is that running on the wheel is actually what it is trying to do.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #887 on: July 20, 2017, 05:26:05 PM »
The thing with the hamster is that running on the wheel is actually what it is trying to do.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #888 on: July 20, 2017, 05:28:57 PM »
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjH_P_f4pjVAhVMNz4KHVOxBWYQFghQMAY&url=https%3A%2F%2Fpubs.niaaa.nih.gov%2Fpublications%2Farh40%2F64-75.pdf&usg=AFQjCNEGbpHDOhRVzrk19Ttk5OXaaC3Lag

Twin, adoption, and family studies conclusively demonstrated that genetic factors account for 50 to 60 percent of the variance in risk for developing alcoholism

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4545669/

I don't believe in twin and adoption studies. Way too big of confounding factors.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #889 on: July 20, 2017, 05:32:25 PM »
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjH_P_f4pjVAhVMNz4KHVOxBWYQFghQMAY&url=https%3A%2F%2Fpubs.niaaa.nih.gov%2Fpublications%2Farh40%2F64-75.pdf&usg=AFQjCNEGbpHDOhRVzrk19Ttk5OXaaC3Lag

Twin, adoption, and family studies conclusively demonstrated that genetic factors account for 50 to 60 percent of the variance in risk for developing alcoholism

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4545669/

Also,  just because genetic factors exist doesn't make them the most important factor.

Most ppl with those genes don't become addicts

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #890 on: July 20, 2017, 05:34:28 PM »
Also,  just because genetic factors exist doesn't make them the most important factor.

Most ppl with those genes don't become addicts
I agree but do not have specific knowledge of percentages.
The thing with the hamster is that running on the wheel is actually what it is trying to do.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #891 on: July 20, 2017, 05:38:09 PM »
More than you may realize. EVERYTHING affects brain chemistry. That is what neuroplasticity is mostly about. Family support affects brain chemistry in a way that make self control easier, for example. If this is what is being referred to by chemical imbalance in the brain then everything I had mentioned as promoting self control similarly affects brain chemistry. My mentions of self control were never that we should simply tell an addict that they shoould have some self control contrary no matter what hvaces42's responses to me may lead you to believe. He simply does not grasp what I am saying.

Just this.

Your brain works via chemicals. If you have sad triggers, brain releasesurgery the sad hormones, and you feel sad.

Then some groisseh  genius scientist notices that depressed ppl have that chemical and derives thar the chemical causes sad instead of the order way around.

You're just lucky they didn't study burns and derive that burns are caused by neurons picking up pain signals, so the way to treat them is to numb the nerves

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #892 on: July 20, 2017, 05:59:47 PM »
What is self control?
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #893 on: July 20, 2017, 06:14:51 PM »
What is self control?
Saying no despite an urge to do somwthing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-control
Self-control, an aspect of inhibitory control, is the ability to regulate one's emotions, thoughts, and behavior in the face of temptations and impulses. As an executive function, self-control is a cognitive process that is necessary for regulating one's behavior in order to achieve specific goals [2]
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #894 on: July 20, 2017, 06:20:26 PM »
Saying no despite an urge to do somwthing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-control
Self-control, an aspect of inhibitory control, is the ability to regulate one's emotions, thoughts, and behavior in the face of temptations and impulses. As an executive function, self-control is a cognitive process that is necessary for regulating one's behavior in order to achieve specific goals [2]
Just say no, right?
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #895 on: July 20, 2017, 06:21:38 PM »
Just say no, right?
If self control is the only aspect of it then yes.
The thing with the hamster is that running on the wheel is actually what it is trying to do.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #896 on: July 20, 2017, 06:38:11 PM »
If self control is the only aspect of it then yes.
Nancy Reagan created that slogan for the war on drugs. How'd that work out?
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #897 on: July 20, 2017, 06:39:17 PM »
Nancy Reagan created that slogan for the war on drugs. How'd that work out?

Really well.  Most ppl dont use

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #898 on: July 20, 2017, 06:40:38 PM »
Nancy Reagan created that slogan for the war on drugs. How'd that work out?
Horribly. Shows that just telling people to have self control without creating an environment conducive to it or make it easier to exercise that self control or other factors is inadequate.

I think it will be very beneficial to you to make an effort to understand what someone is saying before arguing with them.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #899 on: July 20, 2017, 06:41:05 PM »
Really well.  Most ppl dont use
Most did not use before that slogan either.
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