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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #945 on: July 21, 2017, 10:35:55 AM »
You are looking at them as defects in a person. Thats not what i mean. They may be environmental defects that affected a person and 12 steps will help with those in conjunction with therapy and sometimes even meds.

No I'm not. You're the one who used the word character flaws. Since when are environmental defects character flaws?

Addictive behaviors compound to and cause character flaws (e.g. flaky, unreliable, isolating, lying etc.), but I don't think it's usually character flaws that lead to addiction.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #946 on: July 21, 2017, 11:20:21 AM »
No I'm not. You're the one who used the word character flaws. Since when are environmental defects character flaws?

Addictive behaviors compound to and cause character flaws (e.g. flaky, unreliable, isolating, lying etc.), but I don't think it's usually character flaws that lead to addiction.
Lets try this again. Character defects are within every person. We are born perfect and somewhere along the way we develop attributes and defects. When faced with environmental issues, e.g. trauma, the coping mechanism in addicts is to drown the pain of the trauma in the addiction.
Low self esteem is a character defect. The coping mechanism is again to drown the feelings of worthlessness in the addiction. The 12 steps give one a mechanism to build character. To change the way they cope with issues.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #947 on: July 21, 2017, 11:30:46 AM »
Low self esteem is a character defect.

Someone with low-self-esteem is a deeply flawed individual (your original statement that I objected to), let me go on the record saying that I'm personally offended :D
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #948 on: July 21, 2017, 11:36:35 AM »
Someone with low-self-esteem is a deeply flawed individual (your original statement that I objected to), let me go on the record saying that I'm personally offended :D
Maybe you need a 12 step program to help you with that.  Yes self esteem is a product of being told you're not good enough. It can be worked on and changed. It is a very deep character defect.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #949 on: July 21, 2017, 11:37:22 AM »
What about being an argumentative contrarian on online forums. Is that a character flaw?
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #950 on: July 21, 2017, 11:38:45 AM »
What about being an argumentative contrarian on online forums. Is that a character flaw?
No, just a normal DDFer.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #951 on: July 21, 2017, 11:39:14 AM »
What about being an argumentative contrarian on online forums. Is that a character flaw?
Absolutely. An i can admit it. Now lets see you admit your flaws.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #952 on: July 21, 2017, 11:39:48 AM »
Absolutely. An i can admit it. Now lets see you admit your flaws.
I prefer to look at them as character floors
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #953 on: July 21, 2017, 11:42:03 AM »
I prefer to look at them as character floors
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #954 on: July 21, 2017, 11:50:42 AM »
What about being an argumentative contrarian on online forums. Is that a character flaw?

Deeply flawed individual who needs a 12-step program.  Totally.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #955 on: July 21, 2017, 12:23:03 PM »
Maybe you need a 12 step program to help you with that.  Yes self esteem is a product of being told you're not good enough. It can be worked on and changed. It is a very deep character defect.
...or more commonly (from a theoretical standpoint, anyway), telling yourself you aren't good enough (for a variety of reasons).

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #956 on: August 01, 2017, 09:50:32 AM »
 
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #958 on: August 01, 2017, 02:00:05 PM »
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #959 on: August 01, 2017, 06:40:17 PM »