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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #960 on: August 01, 2017, 07:16:49 PM »
https://youtu.be/eYyDIGEcxpU
the saddest part is there are probably hundreds of not thousands of kids that habe similar stories. BH most have not ended where hers did

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #961 on: August 01, 2017, 08:16:47 PM »
I think there is a real chance the Klein's can make a difference.
. But only if main stream media can report it, and they are not silenced by the mosdos heads who feel that they are on the hot seat... And are all tzadikim etc

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #962 on: August 01, 2017, 10:52:59 PM »

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #964 on: August 02, 2017, 08:57:54 AM »
I think there is a real chance the Klein's can make a difference.
. But only if main stream media can report it, and they are not silenced by the mosdos heads who feel that they are on the hot seat... And are all tzadikim etc
ועמך כולם צדיקים...לעןלם ירשו ארץ
from all those tzadikim all we get are people in the ground

Its about time someone said something publicly. Kol hakavod to the Klein's.
Just dealt with a yeshiva who told a boy who is graduating from their own elementary school that he is not welcome in their high school because "he will drown here"...with no options offered. Then when he chooses a great place the old yeshiva tries to meddle because "s'past nisht" that their elementary graduate should go "there". Im disgusted.

Chinuch is not a business. Its hatzolas nefashos.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #965 on: August 02, 2017, 10:16:24 AM »
https://youtu.be/eYyDIGEcxpU
amazing how much courage these parents have. taking a tragedy and turning it to something which will hopefully end up saving people from the same fate
#TYH

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #966 on: August 02, 2017, 11:06:41 AM »
https://youtu.be/eYyDIGEcxpU
Couldn't stop listening, despite subpar audio quality, and seeing upfront how long this is.

Very powerful. Strong messages at the end regarding Chinuch. Though I have to disagree with him about this being an issue only at the extremes, negativity and rejection can leave a deep scar even with those that will seem OK. This is a chinuch issue (and not only for mechanchim, but also for parents, and everyone), words do mean something, words could not only kill, but they could maim. Sometimes it will be more obvious, sometimes it will be more serious, but in all cases, words can and do injur.  I heard once from an old time melamed who said, if a person doesn't love (unconditionally - if I may add) each and every child in the classroom as their own, that person shouldn't be in chinuch.
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #968 on: August 03, 2017, 10:57:08 AM »

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #969 on: August 03, 2017, 10:58:22 AM »
Define drug related

ETA: "drug poisoning and drug related mental disorders" What does that mean?
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #970 on: August 04, 2017, 01:00:01 AM »
Did it start then?

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #971 on: August 04, 2017, 02:49:12 AM »
Did it start then?
It's still under the carpet though

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #972 on: August 04, 2017, 01:42:53 PM »
let me ask a stupid question: how did teens of our community who would drink and smoke in an earlier generation (not that I promote either chas v'shalom) move on to drugs? what changed?
I will duck now

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #973 on: August 04, 2017, 01:44:58 PM »
let me ask a stupid question: how did teens of our community who would drink and smoke in an earlier generation (not that I promote either chas v'shalom) move on to drugs? what changed?
I will duck now
Huh? There's a widespread narcotic epidemic. Didn't you know this?

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #974 on: August 04, 2017, 01:47:44 PM »
Follow up to this;
http://forward.com/opinion/378897/i-wrote-about-the-opioid-crisis-in-the-jewish-community-the-response-was-ov/
http://forward.com/opinion/378788/its-time-to-admit-that-the-opioid-crisis-is-also-a-jewish-one/
These pretty much lay it out. Prescription abuse abuse is the gateway. I would argue that weed is a gateway and will not duck.  I disagree with those who say its harmless or should be legalized.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #975 on: August 04, 2017, 01:47:57 PM »
Huh? There's a widespread narcotic epidemic. Didn't you know this?
I am not debating the facts, questioning or G-d forbid belittling the tragedies. I am asking the "why?" "why now"?

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #976 on: August 04, 2017, 01:50:48 PM »
I am not debating the facts, questioning or G-d forbid belittling the tragedies. I am asking the "why?" "why now"?
אם לא עכשיו אימתי
1. Prescription drugs became more effective in pain management.
2. Pain management became more common.
3. Addiction to pain medication became an issue.
4. Pain medication alone didnt provide the high anymore.
5. Heroin and fentanyl become the drug of choice to get to rhe higher high.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #977 on: August 04, 2017, 02:11:05 PM »
אם לא עכשיו אימתי
1. Prescription drugs became more effective in pain management.
2. Pain management became more common.

3. Addiction to pain medication became an issue.
4. Pain medication alone didnt provide the high anymore.
5. Heroin and fentanyl become the drug of choice to get to rhe higher high.

I'm not so sure on the accuracy of 1 & 2.

I've been prescribed pain medication in the past, and took only the minimum necessary. I didn't enjoy the slight "high" feeling that came along with it. I was also prescribed same by a dentist, and though I had the prescription filled, didn't take even one. My son just had minor surgery and was prescribed pain killers, he was scared to take it. Eventually, he took one, but then felt he didn't need any more. I would guess that most people won't sell or give away any leftovers they have (I probably have quite a bit of leftovers at home, which I keep in case of emergency).

Doctors are very careful and hesitant in prescribing these nowadays, much more than 5 or 10 years ago. And there's a lot more oversight. I honestly doubt whether painkiller are the gateway (except when some really needed them for some time, and got addicted - which isn't common enough to make this into an epidemic).

Now weed is a totally different story. I can see how legalization, removal of stigma as something totally bad, etc. etc. could make that a very easy gateway.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #978 on: August 04, 2017, 02:18:28 PM »
How many pain management centers were around 20 years ago and how many are there today?
Oxy wasnt around 20 years ago.

Yes regulation is finally catching up. Most doctors who used to prescribe pain meds can no longer do so without first having the patient go to pain management. Cross-referencing and watchlists for doctors and pharmacies are maybe 2 years old in NY. Mandatory eScript and doing away with hand written prescriptions is also less than a year old in NY.

I too went to the dentist and got tylenol with codiene,  of which i took exactly 2 and was done with the rest. The guy in shul who has oxy and percocet he refills regularly for his (no longer hurting) hip replacement and doesnt use and has been (quietly) looking for a buyer is the problem we have.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #979 on: August 04, 2017, 02:45:06 PM »
(I probably have quite a bit of leftovers at home, which I keep in case of emergency).
And if some teenager gets a hold of it...