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Silent Killer
« on: July 14, 2016, 03:37:27 PM »
http://forward.com/news/345095/brooklyn-man-hangs-self-26th-new-york-orthodox-suicide-in-year/ We have to start this serious discussion in our community. #BDE
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2016, 12:30:59 PM »
+1
This really has to be addressed. Life comes before all else. This is insane.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2016, 12:46:08 PM »
Was this a case of abuse?
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2016, 12:50:40 PM »
 :o

Non sense.  As suicide only exists in the orthodox circles.

Umm,  "activist" boory deutch.  Aha....

These insane people will take every tragedy and turn  it into hate on our community.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2016, 01:03:40 PM »
:o

Non sense.  As suicide only exists in the orthodox circles.

Umm,  "activist" boory deutch.  Aha....

These insane people will take every tragedy and turn  it into hate on our community.

Hate?
If just one person decides to keep their life due to their activism then they're doing a good job.

There needs to be more awareness to deal with people having issues.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2016, 01:04:40 PM »
These insane people will take every tragedy and turn  it into hate on our community.
Any legit stats on suicide rate compared to the general public?
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2016, 01:06:30 PM »
So sad. BD"H
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2016, 01:14:40 PM »
Any legit stats on suicide rate compared to the general public?
12.93 per 100,000 for general.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2016, 01:17:28 PM »
12.93 per 100,000 for general.
Now how about the hard stat? If you believe the 26 then it would seem I big divergence.

I misread that. Maybe that is inline.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2016, 01:17:58 PM »
These numbers Include overdose as suicide, no?

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2016, 01:20:03 PM »
What constitutes an "orthodox" suicide? Does the person have to come from an orthodox home or does the person have to be orthodox at the time of death ?

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2016, 01:21:29 PM »
:o

Non sense.  As suicide only exists in the orthodox circles.

Umm,  "activist" boory deutch.  Aha....

These insane people will take every tragedy and turn  it into hate on our community.
You disagree that (depression and) suicide in the Orthodox community exists?!?!? There currently is no comfortable way for someone in our community to seek help for depression, there's the constant fear of friends, family, Shidduchim, schools etc. finding out. Not dealing with depression leads to grave consequences (no pun intended). I have no idea what happened in this specific case, but calling anybody trying to help "insane" and that they're "turning it into hate on our community" is either idiotic or ignorant!!!
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2016, 01:22:42 PM »
What constitutes an "orthodox" suicide? Does the person have to come from an orthodox home or does the person have to be orthodox at the time of death ?
Somebody originally from the Orthodox community, those that commit suicide after leaving the fold is because they weren't being helped while they were in the fold IMHO
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2016, 01:25:25 PM »
:o

Non sense.  As suicide only exists in the orthodox circles.

Umm,  "activist" boory deutch.  Aha....

These insane people will take every tragedy and turn  it into hate on our community.

Who cares about the source of this article or the "activists" quoted? When it comes to reporting on the Chassidic or "Ultra Orthodox" community, the Forward is as anti-Semitic as it gets.

Not recognizing that the scourge of mental health issues going untreated as an epidemic in the broader orthodox community is dangerous. And it is killing people.
Therapy has to stop being stigmatized. Your cardiologist doesn't need to be frum, and your ENT doesn't need to be male. Your therapist doesn't need to be frum or the same gender. People need to realize that depression and other mental health issues are sicknesses.

I don't know whether there are legit studies comparing suicide rates in our community vs the general population. Frankly, I don't care to know if it the same, more or less. The willful stigmatization of getting treated by licensed and trained mental health professionals in the orthodox community is real. It has to end.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2016, 01:59:43 PM »
Any legit stats on suicide rate compared to the general public?
I can't speak of Orthodox Jews in particular, but I have come across peer-reviewed research which found that religious affiliation is associated with less suicidal behavior. The subjects in the study were those with clinical levels of depression IIRC.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2016, 02:06:16 PM »
Who cares about the source of this article or the "activists" quoted? When it comes to reporting on the Chassidic or "Ultra Orthodox" community, the Forward is as anti-Semitic as it gets.

Not recognizing that the scourge of mental health issues going untreated as an epidemic in the broader orthodox community is dangerous. And it is killing people.
Therapy has to stop being stigmatized. Your cardiologist doesn't need to be frum, and your ENT doesn't need to be male. Your therapist doesn't need to be frum or the same gender. People need to realize that depression and other mental health issues are sicknesses.

I don't know whether there are legit studies comparing suicide rates in our community vs the general population. Frankly, I don't care to know if it the same, more or less. The willful stigmatization of getting treated by licensed and trained mental health professionals in the orthodox community is real. It has to end.

Before I disagree about this line. I am not sure what this line has to do with being stigmatized. It would still be a stigma if you went to a non frum therapist.

The concern with a non frum therapist is that they convince the person to forget about g-d to deal with their issues as opposed to working within the framework of religion.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2016, 02:08:21 PM »
:o

Non sense.  As suicide only exists in the orthodox circles.

Umm,  "activist" boory deutch.  Aha....

These insane people will take every tragedy and turn  it into hate on our community.

Way to shoot the messenger and eschew a necessary discussion. 

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2016, 02:08:45 PM »
Who cares about the source of this article or the "activists" quoted? When it comes to reporting on the Chassidic or "Ultra Orthodox" community, the Forward is as anti-Semitic as it gets.

Not recognizing that the scourge of mental health issues going untreated as an epidemic in the broader orthodox community is dangerous. And it is killing people.
Therapy has to stop being stigmatized. Your cardiologist doesn't need to be frum, and your ENT doesn't need to be male. Your therapist doesn't need to be frum or the same gender. People need to realize that depression and other mental health issues are sicknesses.

I don't know whether there are legit studies comparing suicide rates in our community vs the general population. Frankly, I don't care to know if it the same, more or less. The willful stigmatization of getting treated by licensed and trained mental health professionals in the orthodox community is real. It has to end.
Many Rabbonim will disagree with this statement, unless it is a particular situation that cannot be dealt with by any religious therapists and the best available option is a non-religious therapist.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2016, 02:10:35 PM »
The concern with a non frum therapist is that they convince the person to forget about g-d to deal with their issues as opposed to working within the framework of religion.
I know it is Friday but where did you get this from?
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2016, 02:15:38 PM »
These numbers Include overdose as suicide, no?
I believe so. I don't believe suicide is a growing problem at all. Mental health is very actively treated in the frum communities these days.

Overdose is definitely out of control though. More and more kids and adults are being exposed to dangerous drugs then ever before.
In Lakewood alone there are dozens of heroin addicts RCL.