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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #120 on: September 06, 2016, 11:51:33 AM »
It helps me express and share my deep sorrow. Sorry for being selfish. Now stop trolling.
Thats fine, but what are you going to do about it. I'm not trolling. I'm just sick of people saying its so sad and moving on as if it wont happen again and again. Saying its sad is nice and sentimental.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #121 on: September 06, 2016, 11:52:49 AM »




And since we are pointing fingers...your turn...
I don't claim to be an activist.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #122 on: September 06, 2016, 11:54:42 AM »
Can I assume that you both did at least a couple moments research?
Based on your statements the answer is no. Do that and come back to me.
Have you been to a 12 step meeting lately? When there are more yarmulkes in the room than not we are pretty close to the national average, if not above it. And this is not ancedotes of one meeting. 
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #123 on: September 06, 2016, 11:55:45 AM »
Have you been to a 12 step meeting lately? When there are more yarmulkes in the room than not we are pretty close to the national average, if not above it. And this is not ancedotes of one meeting.

That doesn't prove anything, maybe we are better at asking for help.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #124 on: September 06, 2016, 11:57:06 AM »
That doesn't prove anything, maybe we are better at asking for help.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #125 on: September 06, 2016, 11:58:01 AM »

Have you been to a 12 step meeting lately?
Yes.
If you go to the post office in BP there are mostly yidden. I shall deduce from there that Jews across the states get more mail than non-jews.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #126 on: September 06, 2016, 11:58:54 AM »
That doesn't prove anything, maybe we are better at asking for help.
Guaranteed we are worse at asking for help than the national average. Help, is the last thing that is sought. Help=Stigma
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #127 on: September 06, 2016, 11:59:39 AM »
We def do, we also have driving problems, internet problems, and gambling problems. But significantly less than the national average. Not even close.
But we also could have close to 0. For example if we went to the police for sexual abuse we would have close to 0

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #128 on: September 06, 2016, 12:01:08 PM »
Guaranteed we are worse at asking for help than the national average. Help, is the last thing that is sought. Help=Stigma
Yet another stereotype. We have no issue asking for help if we feel we need it.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #129 on: September 06, 2016, 12:01:39 PM »
Yet another stereotype. We have no issue asking for help if we feel we need it.
the issue is we never feel we need it or that it could help.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #130 on: September 06, 2016, 12:02:33 PM »
But we also could have close to 0. For example if we went to the police for sexual abuse we would have close to 0
Once again an incorrect assumption. What's with you guys today?

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #131 on: September 06, 2016, 12:03:26 PM »
the issue is we never feel we need it or that it could help.

Once again an incorrect assumption. What's with you guys today?
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #132 on: September 06, 2016, 12:03:56 PM »
Yes.
If you go to the post office in BP there are mostly yidden. I shall deduce from there that Jews across the states get more mail than non-jews.
Wha?!?!!? If the meetings have majority jews then proportionally i would say that in areas that there are less jews there will be fewer at the meetings. How is your deduction logical???? I'm just saying we have lots of addicts and very few who seek help. We are more or less on par with our non-jewish counterparts percentage-wise.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #133 on: September 06, 2016, 12:04:33 PM »
Once again an incorrect assumption. What's with you guys today?
How is this incorrect? If a rebbe knew that if he got caught they would go to the cops, everyone would find out/ruin his name and family name and may end up in jail he wouldn't do it. Now what does he loose? If he is caught its swept under the rug.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #134 on: September 06, 2016, 12:05:48 PM »
But we also could have close to 0. For example if we went to the police for sexual abuse we would have close to 0
That's quite a ludicrous statement to make; and that's putting it kindly
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #135 on: September 06, 2016, 12:06:24 PM »
How is this incorrect? If a rebbe knew that if he got caught they would go to the cops, everyone would find out/ruin his name and family name and may end up in jail he wouldn't do it. Now what does he loose? If he is caught its swept under the rug.

It's wrong bec there are predators everywhere, going to the police might prevent some of them but the most important thing is that it stops them quicker.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #136 on: September 06, 2016, 12:07:13 PM »
How is this incorrect? If a rebbe knew that if he got caught they would go to the cops, everyone would find out/ruin his name and family name and may end up in jail he wouldn't do it. Now what does he loose? If he is caught its swept under the rug.
I see you do no research before debating.
I'll start you off, its a mental illness and look into past groups and sects that had the same issue.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #137 on: September 06, 2016, 12:07:56 PM »
Wha?!?!!? If the meetings have majority jews then proportionally i would say that in areas that there are less jews there will be fewer at the meetings. How is your deduction logical???? I'm just saying we have lots of addicts and very few who seek help. We are more or less on par with our non-jewish counterparts percentage-wise.
Your using your own deductions to guide your reasoning. Look at the actual stats.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #138 on: September 06, 2016, 12:08:04 PM »
That's quite a ludicrous statement to make; and that's putting it kindly
explain?

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #139 on: September 06, 2016, 12:10:41 PM »
Once again an incorrect assumption. What's with you guys today?
Agree with you on sexual abuse.

Most addicts I know or have met will never ask for help until its very late in the game and there is no choice, as they are facing life altering events (i.e. a spouse threatening to leave, loss of a job or home, etc.) Those that dont ask for help usually end up as death notices here, in prison, or insane asylums. Help is sought more now than in the past but there is a stigma associated with asking for help in the frum community. If i had a dollar for every frum person who has told me that 12 step meetings are not for them, or are held in a church and they wont go into a church, or "I cant go to a social worker because...". 
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