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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #140 on: September 06, 2016, 12:11:30 PM »
It's wrong bec there are predators everywhere, going to the police might prevent some of them but the most important thing is that it stops them quicker.
Preventing some of them is a start.

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« Reply #141 on: September 06, 2016, 12:12:15 PM »
Yet another stereotype. We have no issue asking for help if we feel we need it.
There is a tremendous stigma involved with drug abuse in our communities. The fact is that it goes on everywhere and it is not talked about. For example I know that in one particular shul there are at least 9 different people (that I know of) that have siblings who have seeked out help for addiction. All these 9 are friends and not one of them knows about the other. I guarantee you there are more. None of these people are showing up on "stats".

Just because you dont know about it doesnt mean its not going on. If people began the conversation, we would realize that no family hasnt been affected by this in one way or the other.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #142 on: September 06, 2016, 12:12:24 PM »
Thats fine, but what are you going to do about it. I'm not trolling. I'm just sick of people saying its so sad and moving on as if it wont happen again and again. Saying its sad is nice and sentimental.
I agree its not enough to just say its sad and move on. Lets hear what you've done to help the cause.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #143 on: September 06, 2016, 12:12:48 PM »
Agree with you on sexual abuse.

Most addicts I know or have met will never ask for help until its very late in the game and there is no choice, as they are facing life altering events (i.e. a spouse threatening to leave, loss of a job or home, etc.) Those that dont ask for help usually end up as death notices here, in prison, or insane asylums. Help is sought more now than in the past but there is a stigma associated with asking for help in the frum community. If i had a dollar for every frum person who has told me that 12 step meetings are not for them, or are held in a church and they wont go into a church, or "I cant go to a social worker because...".
I am not arguing on your personal experience. I am simply saying that it is no worse than than the national average. To the contrary it's significantly better.
It is still horrible nonetheless.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #144 on: September 06, 2016, 12:13:49 PM »
I see you do no research before debating.
I'll start you off, its a mental illness and look into past groups and sects that had the same issue.
OK ill take your word at it. So you are saying regardless of the consequences he will do it anyway? What if the consequence was to be killed. Do you think that he still would because of mental illness?

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« Reply #145 on: September 06, 2016, 12:14:33 PM »
OK ill take your word at it. So you are saying regardless of the consequences he will do it anyway? What if the consequence was to be killed. Do you think that he still would because of mental illness?
On a side note I'm all for bringing back the death penalty

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #146 on: September 06, 2016, 12:17:26 PM »
I am not arguing on your personal experience. I am simply saying that it is no worse than than the national average. To the contrary it's significantly better.
It is still horrible nonetheless.
What is better? The % of people that need help and dont ask for it? Or just the % of people that need help overall?

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #147 on: September 06, 2016, 12:20:41 PM »
I am not arguing on your personal experience. I am simply saying that it is no worse than than the national average. To the contrary it's significantly better.
It is still horrible nonetheless.
What is your source for saying its "significatly better" other than a wish that it was so?

Because you dont know about it doesnt mean its not out there.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #148 on: September 06, 2016, 12:20:47 PM »
What is better? The % of people that need help and dont ask for it? Or just the % of people that need help overall?
The latter. Im quite sure the former is also though I haven't actually researched that.

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« Reply #149 on: September 06, 2016, 12:21:37 PM »
There is a tremendous stigma involved with drug abuse in our communities. The fact is that it goes on everywhere and it is not talked about. For example I know that in one particular shul there are at least 9 different people (that I know of) that have siblings who have seeked out help for addiction. All these 9 are friends and not one of them knows about the other. I guarantee you there are more. None of these people are showing up on "stats".

Just because you dont know about it doesnt mean its not going on. If people began the conversation, we would realize that no family hasnt been affected by this in one way or the other.
Thank you.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #150 on: September 06, 2016, 12:23:53 PM »




Because you dont know about it doesnt mean its not out there.
Oh, I know it's out there. I have family members who have been or are addicted. I have family members that died from overdose. I am all to familiar with it.


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« Reply #151 on: September 06, 2016, 12:26:06 PM »
The latter. Im quite sure the former is also though I haven't actually researched that.
How many yungerliet in Lakewood are addicted to internet gambling since they legalized it in NJ?
How many young frum people are smoking Marijuana and cant stop?
How many closet sex addicts are abusing their wives who are too ashamed to ask for help because we dont talk about sex in public.

Come on. Its people that are willfuly blind, that suppress the real numbers and prolong the stigma of those seeking help.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #152 on: September 06, 2016, 12:27:57 PM »
Oh, I know it's out there. I have family members who have been or are addicted. I have family members that died from overdose. I am all to familiar with it.
Therein lies your misunderstanding. Once an addict always an addict. They can on be "have been" if theyre dead.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #153 on: September 06, 2016, 12:28:00 PM »
The latter. Im quite sure the former is also though I haven't actually researched that.
ok now i know your joking or just full of bs

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« Reply #154 on: September 06, 2016, 12:28:24 PM »
Therein lies your misunderstanding. Once an addict always an addict. They can on be "have been" if theyre dead.
wrong - depends on what

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« Reply #155 on: September 06, 2016, 12:28:35 PM »
Therein lies your misunderstanding. Once an addict always an addict. They can on be "have been" if theyre dead.
Great attitude.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #156 on: September 06, 2016, 12:29:29 PM »
ok now i know your joking or just full of bs
Neither. I invite you to provide something to back up your numbers. I gladly can later when I'm in from of a computer

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #157 on: September 06, 2016, 12:31:58 PM »
How many yungerliet in Lakewood are addicted to internet gambling since they legalized it in NJ?
How many young frum people are smoking Marijuana and cant stop?
How many closet sex addicts are abusing their wives who are too ashamed to ask for help because we dont talk about sex in public.

Come on. Its people that are willfuly blind, that suppress the real numbers and prolong the stigma of those seeking help.
ah who cares. we have similar to the national average so it makes no difference.  we should be proud that we are like the goyim.

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« Reply #158 on: September 06, 2016, 12:32:56 PM »
wrong - depends on what
please explain. For every addict that you show me thats cured I will show you 5 who have relapsed after being "cured".
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« Reply #159 on: September 06, 2016, 12:33:11 PM »
ah who cares. we have similar to the national average so it makes no difference.  we should be proud that we are like the goyim.
Now your bringing in the irrational 3rd grade retorts. Kudos to you. I was wondering how long it would last.