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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #280 on: September 06, 2016, 04:04:33 PM »
I think we are off the rails here. Education regarding addiction is what is lacking. We all know that drug and alcohol use by a non-addict in moderatiom is ok. Education of parents and children on recognizing the signs and symptoms and the treatments and help that are available to addicts is sorely needed.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #281 on: September 06, 2016, 04:07:37 PM »
I find that hard to believe. Show me a source please. I stopped smoking though i never touched heroin.
You stopped smoking cigarettes and you smoke pot. How long have you stopped for. And who said that you touched heroin. Im saying the difficulty of quitting is comparable or harder than quitting heroin. I too have quit smoking, multiple times. Im on year 4 without cigarettes or any other tobbaco or e-cig and i want one every day.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #282 on: September 06, 2016, 04:08:04 PM »
I think we are off the rails here. Education regarding addiction is what is lacking. We all know that drug and alcohol use by a non-addict in moderatiom is ok. Education of parents and children on recognizing the signs and symptoms and the treatments and help that are available to addicts is sorely needed.
Lets not forget an important issue is why they are turning to alcohol/drugs?
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #283 on: September 06, 2016, 04:08:42 PM »
You stopped smoking cigarettes and you smoke pot. How long have you stopped for. And who said that you touched heroin. Im saying the difficulty of quitting is comparable or harder than quitting heroin. I too have quit smoking, multiple times. Im on year 4 without cigarettes or any other tobbaco or e-cig and i want one every day.
I smoked for 5 years a pack a day. Haven't touched a Cig in 4 years

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #284 on: September 06, 2016, 04:09:10 PM »
Lets not forget an important issue is why they are turning to alcohol/drugs?
Sexual abuse

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #285 on: September 06, 2016, 04:09:33 PM »
I smoked for 5 years a pack a day. Haven't touched a Cig in 4 years
That is great. Were you able to quit the first time?
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #286 on: September 06, 2016, 04:10:26 PM »
Sexual abuse
There are many reasons and no need to single that out unless you want a full blown PC thread.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #287 on: September 06, 2016, 04:11:22 PM »
That is great. Were you able to quit the first time?
Yes it was during the winter.  We're it's painful to smoke. (freezing outside)

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #288 on: September 06, 2016, 04:13:04 PM »
Lets not forget an important issue is why they are turning to alcohol/drugs?
Because they want to escape whatever their reality is. Because they are uneducated about the danger.
Sexual abuse
Drown pain
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #289 on: September 06, 2016, 04:14:06 PM »
Once again, you know nothing on this topic so please get lost. Yes, a smoking habit is more difficult to kick than a heroin habit. Ask any peraon who has tried atopping and any therapist you wish. Its damn hard.
I really dont want to go off on a tangent here as theyre both extremely difficult habits to stop. However, heroin has much more acute physical withdrawal symptoms.

The reason people say that cigarette smoking is harder to kick is due to the fact that you are (used to be) able to smoke anywhere. And they sell cigarettes everywhere. If a heroin addict stops using heroin and moves to a nice area where he doesnt associate with anyone using heroin he wont have to think about it every time he steps out on the street. However, someone who quits smoking will still have to smell it every time he walks down the street and see it in every gas station and convenience store he walks into.  Its also harder to mentally justify since most people havent lost their job or their spouse or their kids because they smoked cigarettes.

But just saying that a smoking habit is harder to kick than heroin is just plain incorrect.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #290 on: September 06, 2016, 04:18:06 PM »
I really dont want to go off on a tangent here as theyre both extremely difficult habits to stop. However, heroin has much more acute physical withdrawal symptoms.

The reason people say that cigarette smoking is harder to kick is due to the fact that you are (used to be) able to smoke anywhere. And they sell cigarettes everywhere. If a heroin addict stops using heroin and moves to a nice area where he doesnt associate with anyone using heroin he wont have to think about it every time he steps out on the street. However, someone who quits smoking will still have to smell it every time he walks down the street and see it in every gas station and convenience store he walks into.  Its also harder to mentally justify since most people havent lost their job or their spouse or their kids because they smoked cigarettes.

But just saying that a smoking habit is harder to kick than heroin is just plain incorrect.
Any mental health professional i have ever spoken with regarding this has compared the two and said cigarettes are harder for every reason you state. The ready availability and legal use trumps any physical symptoms that may occur with heroin withdrawal. There is no antidote to the ready availability of cigarettes. Also, the physical effects of smoking are not as readily apparent to a smoker.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #291 on: September 06, 2016, 04:22:35 PM »
But just saying that a smoking habit is harder to kick than heroin is just plain incorrect.
Heroin is more addictive but as a habit might be easier to kick. This has been debated forever.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #292 on: September 06, 2016, 04:23:00 PM »
Any mental health professional i have ever spoken with regarding this has compared the two and said cigarettes are harder for every reason you state. The ready availability and legal use trumps any physical symptoms that may occur with heroin withdrawal. There is no antidote to the ready availability of cigarettes. Also, the physical effects of smoking are not as readily apparent to a smoker.
Heroin is more addictive but as a habit might be easier to kick. This has been debated forever.
Ask someone whos kicked both and see what they say.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #293 on: September 06, 2016, 04:24:09 PM »
Ask someone whos quit both and see what they say.
Find a heroine addict that has been using for thirty years and I will.  ;)
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #294 on: September 06, 2016, 04:24:23 PM »
Ask someone whos kicked both and see what they say.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #295 on: September 06, 2016, 04:28:53 PM »
I quit smoking cigarettes and had it really easy since then (9 years now).
Never did heroin but I cannot fathom how the worlds most infamously addictive drug is considered less addictive than cigarettes.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #296 on: September 06, 2016, 05:00:23 PM »
Find a heroine addict that has been using for thirty years and I will.  ;)

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #297 on: September 06, 2016, 05:50:24 PM »
Noone is taking into affect the massive damage to a heroin users cognitive and behavioral capacities, which then make it ever more harder to quit than nicotine.

Much harder for a half brain damaged individual to control an addiction than a normal person.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #298 on: September 06, 2016, 05:59:27 PM »
Bottom line, what will you do the next time you suspect someone you know/love/care about is an addict? Will you be able to recognize the early warning signs? Do you know where or to whom to turn to for proper advice and guidance?

Educate yourself. The next crop of addicts are already acting out in their addiction. Learn the signs now.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #299 on: September 06, 2016, 06:01:57 PM »
Noone is taking into affect the massive damage to a heroin users cognitive and behavioral capacities, which then make it ever more harder to quit than nicotine.

Much harder for a half brain damaged individual to control an addiction than a normal person.
Ipcha mistabra. A normal person thinks hes "got it".
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