Silent Killer

[churnbabychurn]

Bottom line, what will you do the next time you suspect someone you know/love/care about is an addict? Will you be able to recognize the early warning signs? Do you know where or to whom to turn to for proper advice and guidance?

Educate yourself. The next crop of addicts are already acting out in their addiction. Learn the signs now.

+10

[JTZ]

Educate yourself. The next crop of addicts are already acting out in their addiction. Learn the signs now.

Always check between the toes.

[hvaces42]

Always check between the toes.

...and under the nails.

[mendy from lakewood]

I quit smoking cigarettes and had it really easy since then (9 years now).
Never did heroin but I cannot fathom how the worlds most infamously addictive drug is considered less addictive than cigarettes.

i quit smoking 2 years ago and also had a relatively easy time since

[David Smith]

Smoking as a bochur doesn't really count.

[Sport]

Smoking as a bochur doesn't really count.

Why not?

[hvaces42]

Smoking as a bochur doesn't really count.

+1

[yuneeq]

Smoking as a bochur doesn't really count.

I'm sure if I did heroin as a bochur you would count it.
Hence, you'll be agreeing that heroin is far more addictive.

[hvaces42]

I'm sure if I did heroin as a bochur you would count it.
Hence, you'll be agreeing that heroin is far more addictive.

No one is arguing that Heroin is not more addictive!!!

 Quitting smoking is definitely on par with quitting heroin. The withdrawal may not be the same but the difficulty of stopping is very similar.

[David Smith]

I'm sure if I did heroin as a bochur you would count it.
Hence, you'll be agreeing that heroin is far more addictive.

The chemical addiction power from small time usage of heroin is definitely stronger than tobacco. That just speaks about how easy it to get addicted; it doesn't say anything about the ease of quitting once the addiction is there. I think the average bochur smoking has a lower chemical addiction and different league mental addiction than a real addicted smoker. They have no right to judge from their experience what quitting is like for an addicted smoker.

I don't profess to be knowledgeable about addiction.

[yuneeq]

The chemical addiction power from small time usage of heroin is definitely stronger than tobacco. That just speaks about how easy it to get addicted; it doesn't say anything about the ease of quitting once the addiction is there. I think the average bochur smoking has a lower chemical addiction and different league mental addiction than a real addicted smoker. They have no right to judge from their experience what quitting is like for an addicted smoker.

Now you're creating arbitrary lines to define addicted smokers.
Someone that smokes a pack daily for years is addicted.

[yuneeq]

No one is arguing that Heroin is not more addictive!!!

 Quitting smoking is definitely on par with quitting heroin. The withdrawal may not be the same but the difficulty of stopping is very similar.

As the old adage goes- "quitting is easy, I've done it thousands of times!"

[ya]

No one is arguing that Heroin is not more addictive!!!

 Quitting smoking is definitely on par with quitting heroin. The withdrawal may not be the same but the difficulty of stopping is very similar.

U were a few pages back

[hvaces42]

Now you're creating arbitrary lines to define addicted smokers.
Someone that smokes a pack daily for years is addicted.

Agreed. But it seems easier for bochurim to quit. I'd venture a guess that many bochurim who were addicted and "quit" easily, when they wanted, even for a few years, end up taking up smoking or another addiction at some point later in life.

Thats just my anecdotal observation.

[hvaces42]

U were a few pages back

I did not. I was talking about quitting all along. He's talking about getting hooked. Of course heroin is more potent, the high is better than anything a cigarette can ever give you.

[churnbabychurn]

Ok, enough with heroin discussion.
 What about all the pill poppers?

[Sport]

The chemical addiction power from small time usage of heroin is definitely stronger than tobacco. That just speaks about how easy it to get addicted; it doesn't say anything about the ease of quitting once the addiction is there. I think the average bochur smoking has a lower chemical addiction and different league mental addiction than a real addicted smoker. They have no right to judge from their experience what quitting is like for an addicted smoker.

I don't profess to be knowledgeable about addiction.

I'm not sure how you established your (seemingly) arbitrary distinction of who is a real addicted smoker or not.just curious are you a current or former smoker?
No one can judge the ease or difficulty of someone else quiting their addiction. Its not a matter of sharing some general similarities like if their married or not. Genetics, personality and life experiences play a much larger role in addiction and a persons ability to quit.

[ya]

Ok, enough with heroin discussion.
 What about all the pill poppers?

in a certain way this is a bigger issue. Most people taking heroin know its wrong but for whatever reason take it anyway. Pills alot of guys get hooked on it when they take it after surgery or an injury etc.

[hvaces42]

Ok, enough with heroin discussion.
 What about all the pill poppers?

What about them? They're in "pain". So they dont have a problem either.

[hvaces42]

in a certain way this is a bigger issue. Most people taking heroin know its wrong but for whatever reason take it anyway. Pills Weed alot of guys get hooked on it when they take it after surgery or an injury etc.

FTFY according to what you said earlier.