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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #440 on: November 29, 2016, 09:55:43 PM »
I can't believe that what I wrote is even controversial.
Because youre in your own echo chamber.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #441 on: November 29, 2016, 09:57:39 PM »
I can't believe that what I wrote is even controversial.
You are advocating hiding the facts and statistics on drug abuse within our community.

Not controversial at all. Unbelievable.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #442 on: November 29, 2016, 09:58:19 PM »
Because youre in your own echo chamber.
Except that there was nothing written here about the content of what I wrote only people accusing me of denying the issue and saying to do nothing.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #443 on: November 29, 2016, 09:59:08 PM »
You are advocating hiding the facts and statistics on drug abuse within our community.

Not controversial at all. Unbelievable.
Hiding? No. Yelling from the rooftops? Maybe also not.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #444 on: November 29, 2016, 10:01:03 PM »
Except that there was nothing written here about the content of what I wrote only people accusing me of denying the issue and saying to do nothing.
Any content that advocates stifiling discussion of the issue due to [fill in the blank] is unbelievable.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #445 on: November 29, 2016, 10:03:01 PM »
Any content that advocates stifiling discussion of the issue due to [fill in the blank] is unbelievable.
If the message is harmful then it should be stifled. If not it should be continued and honed to make it be the best message possible.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #446 on: November 29, 2016, 10:03:25 PM »
Hiding? No. Yelling from the rooftops? Maybe also not.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #447 on: November 29, 2016, 10:03:28 PM »
Hiding? No. Yelling from the rooftops? Maybe also not.
Maybe not, maybe yes..

. Let's err on the side of caution and the side of professionals and yes yell.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #448 on: November 29, 2016, 10:05:58 PM »
If the message is harmful then it should be stifled. If not it should be continued and honed to make it be the best message possible.
So והיה מחניך קדוש trumps everything. Typical response. Everything falls under that heading. Every sick perverted frumkeit too.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #449 on: November 29, 2016, 10:06:28 PM »
Maybe not, maybe yes..

. Let's err on the side of caution and the side of professionals and yes yell.
Caution means not ignoring the professionals who bring out possible pitfalls as well.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #450 on: November 29, 2016, 10:07:14 PM »
If the message is harmful then it should be stifled. If not it should be continued and honed to make it be the best message possible.
Let's put this to rest. You don't know what you're talking about as far as actual facts on the ground.
Yes, you linked a few studies that are tangentially related. But due to the complexity and insularity of the community, your concerns are so minor, they pale in the face of the clear and present danger of dismissing the problem as almost not applicable to us.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #451 on: November 29, 2016, 10:12:16 PM »
Caution means not ignoring the professionals who bring out possible pitfalls as well.
They are not ignored.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #452 on: November 29, 2016, 10:16:46 PM »
I am not advocating not raising awareness and I would say yes scream from the rooftops just check with experts what to scream from the rooftops. Don't just come.out of yeshiva open an organization and start yelling whatever pops into your head as being right from the rooftops. That's all. I'm not sure if aygart is agreeing to me or not but certainly what I am saying is pashut and I assume you guys agree but are just bothered by the implication that maybe it's coming from an avoidance mentality

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #453 on: November 29, 2016, 10:21:53 PM »
I think we need two separate threads on this. One for people who personally know people who have died and one for people who don't.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #454 on: November 29, 2016, 10:24:24 PM »
I think we need two separate threads on this. One for people who personally know people who have died and one for people who don't.
And one for people who are or know and deal with addicts and one for people who have no clue.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #455 on: November 29, 2016, 10:27:59 PM »
If you have seen my other comments on these topics here you would know that I am a hardcore advocate of awareness etc... however aygart is making one valid point and I am not sure you have to throw the kitchen sink at him for it. I remember reading that the "say no to drugs" campaign from the 90s that they spent.millions on was an epic failure.... so we definitely should be raising awareness and removing stigmas increasing funding and resources but certainly care should be taken to make sure it's done properly
It was Nancy Reagans "Just Say No" campaign. Amd for those of us who lived through that the whole thing was laughable even at the time. Just find some of those commercials. They were hilarious. And candy box tops used to say "Just Say No". Cuz that was gonna stop the cocaine superhighway of the 80s.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #456 on: November 29, 2016, 10:31:37 PM »
They are not ignored.
had you simply said this at the beginning instead of instinctively attacking me we could have saved this whole conversation.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #457 on: November 29, 2016, 10:34:29 PM »
I am not advocating not raising awareness and I would say yes scream from the rooftops just check with experts what to scream from the rooftops. Don't just come.out of yeshiva open an organization and start yelling whatever pops into your head as being right from the rooftops. That's all. I'm not sure if aygart is agreeing to me or not but certainly what I am saying is pashut and I assume you guys agree but are just bothered by the implication that maybe it's coming from an avoidance mentality
I am not disagreeing. Maybe scream maybe don't as long as you do it properly.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #458 on: November 29, 2016, 10:36:01 PM »
I think we need two separate threads on this. One for people who personally know people who have died and one for people who don't.

And one for people who are or know and deal with addicts and one for people who have no clue.
And another thread for people who.make assumptions about other people's level of knowledge, experience and involvement in said issue

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #459 on: November 29, 2016, 10:38:02 PM »
had you simply said this at the beginning instead of instinctively attacking me we could have saved this whole conversation.
Alright