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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #480 on: December 06, 2016, 11:19:05 AM »
All I've seen here is that it's 100% okay to enter a church.

As seen in this article, it is not so simple.
I'm sure there are better, more thorough articles, but the point stands. That it's not so simple to even walk into a church, so instead of paskening for others, AYLOR or find any of the Jewish meetings.
I asked when I needed to attend for school. The response made it sound pashut

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #481 on: December 06, 2016, 11:46:32 AM »
I asked when I needed to attend for school. The response made it sound pashut
pashut in what way?

I wonder if every frum student that attends Fordham or St. Johns or any other christian school asks whether they can attend classes. Like I've said upthread, if one is looking for excuses, they are readily available.

The point of what I've been saying is that you just cant have it both ways: Not going to meetings in churches because of "frumkeit" and not having meetings in "kosher" locations because of "privacy issues".
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #482 on: December 06, 2016, 11:51:26 AM »
pashut in what way?

I wonder if every frum student that attends Fordham or St. Johns or any other christian school asks whether they can attend classes. Like I've said upthread, if one is looking for excuses, they are readily available.

The point of what I've been saying is that you just cant have it both ways: Not going to meetings in churches because of "frumkeit" and not having meetings in "kosher" locations because of "privacy issues".
Fordham was a big tumult back in the 60s with some saying it was assur.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #483 on: December 06, 2016, 12:15:15 PM »
Fordham was a big tumult back in the 60s with some saying it was assur.
Any Christian hospital should be yehareg too by these rules.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #484 on: December 06, 2016, 08:52:23 PM »
It's not a big deal. If you or a family member need to go to a meeting, ask a competent rov!

(most community rabbonim are very aware of these issues and shailos, and should be able to offer a quick simple response.
 Beware of a asking someone inexperienced who doesnt know what addiction is etc. They may not be in a position to provide a reliable response.)

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #485 on: December 06, 2016, 08:53:10 PM »
It's not a big deal. If you or a family member need to go to a meeting, ask a competent rov!

(most community rabbonim are very aware of these issues and shailos, and should be able to offer a quick simple response.
 Beware of a asking someone inexperienced who doesnt know what addiction is etc. They may not be in a position to provide a reliable response.)
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #486 on: December 06, 2016, 09:29:56 PM »
It's not a big deal. If you or a family member need to go to a meeting, ask a competent rov!

(most community rabbonim are very aware of these issues and shailos, and should be able to offer a quick simple response.
 Beware of a asking someone inexperienced who doesnt know what addiction is etc. They may not be in a position to provide a reliable response.)
+1
Exactly what has been said all along. Any complicated answer is a sign of inexperience.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #488 on: December 22, 2016, 08:06:40 AM »
http://www.thejewishstar.com/stories/How-did-my-son-product-of-an-Orthodox-family-educated-in-a-yeshiva-become-an-addict,11617
Drug addiction does not discriminate between the races, religions or genders. It affects us all in one way or another.

"LESS IS MORE" It is the cumulative effect that kills deals!!! How many times do I have to say this?  >:(

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #489 on: December 22, 2016, 10:33:06 AM »
Drug addiction does not discriminate between the races, religions or genders. It affects us all in one way or another.

Very true, it's really unfortunate that it's a topic that isn't discussed in many communities.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #490 on: December 22, 2016, 10:37:59 AM »
If you need a rov, Rabbi Dr. Abraham J. Twerski has said it many times. Yesh al me lismoch.
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He knows that it's an issue of life or death. So you go! Regardless of where it is. (Main issur is the actual sanctuary, so that's prob not where they are holding the groups.)
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #491 on: December 22, 2016, 10:43:51 AM »
@aygart. I'm trying to be dun lekaf zechus on you but I'm having a really hard time, so I'm going to simply ask you.

Do you know of someone that was adversly affected by any publicity surrounding the drugs issue?

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #492 on: December 22, 2016, 10:50:57 AM »
Very true, it's really unfortunate that it's a topic that isn't discussed in many OURcommunities.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #493 on: December 22, 2016, 10:52:15 AM »
"LESS IS MORE" It is the cumulative effect that kills deals!!! How many times do I have to say this?  >:(

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #494 on: December 22, 2016, 10:54:27 AM »
Both are correct.
+1, you'd be surprised.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #495 on: December 22, 2016, 10:55:17 AM »
"LESS IS MORE" It is the cumulative effect that kills deals!!! How many times do I have to say this?  >:(

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #496 on: December 22, 2016, 10:55:54 AM »
"JS [is] a fetid cesspool of unvarnished linguistic manure, with lots of useless drivel and post-padding." -Moishebatchy

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #497 on: December 22, 2016, 10:58:00 AM »
@aygart. I'm trying to be dun lekaf zechus on you but I'm having a really hard time, so I'm going to simply ask you.

Do you know of someone that was adversly affected by any publicity surrounding the drugs issue?
Here we go again. If you feel it takes being dun lkaf zchus to simply say that real professionals need to be involved in any publicity of the issue to ensure it is not yatza schrara bihefseida then I think we need to work on ways to be dun you lkaf zchus. I am still baffled why this is even controversial.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #498 on: December 22, 2016, 10:58:36 AM »
Here we go again. If you feel it takes being dun lkaf zchus to simply say that real professionals need to be involved in any publicity of the issue to ensure it is not yatza schrara bihefseida then I think we need to work on ways to be dun you lkaf zchus. I am still baffled why this is even controversial.
Answer my question.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #499 on: December 22, 2016, 11:26:46 AM »
Answer my question.
not that I know of.
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