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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #580 on: December 23, 2016, 11:45:23 AM »
That letter is eye-opening. If the husband was bringing ham into the bathroom to eat, then don't you think that the rabbis would work harder to put an end to it!?!
No I don't.
Do you not know anyone who is mechalel Shabbbos in the bathroom? Were the Rabbi's able to stop him/her?
Why does this have to be about the Rabbi's? No one, in close to 600 posts, has pointed to a Rabbi who said - don't educate, don't tell anyone, drugs isn't an issue. The closest you got was a possible Rabbinic opinion to not go into a church for a meeting if other meetings are available. And no one had a source for that either.
The most you'll find is a Rabbi who is trying to protect the dignity of the family of an addict, because that is what said family wants. With huge respect and kudos to Mrs. maisel, not everyone wants to go public with their spouse's addiction, or even their child's heroin overdose. Are they not entitled to that privacy? Yes, it may result in unintended 'sweeping under the carpet'. But believe me, there are hundreds of 'Rabbi's' who lose more sleep individually than we all did collectively over this issue.

And as far as your ten year old students - you probably didn't help them, according to many recent studies, Education needs to be cutting edge, guided by skilled and well read professionals, and yes, supported by Rabbinic Authorities.
https://thinkprogress.org/the-disastrous-legacy-of-nancy-reagans-just-say-no-campaign-fd24570bf109#.fsbbvmoby
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-just-say-no-doesnt-work/

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #581 on: December 23, 2016, 12:31:45 PM »
But believe me, there are hundreds of 'Rabbi's' who lose more sleep individually than we all did collectively over this issue.

They only mainly lose sleep over it because they are not equipped to deal with it. Incidental experience alert: Rabbi tells wife of addict that they only have a shalom bayis problem and should work on that. Rebbetzin refers her to addiction specialist!
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #582 on: December 23, 2016, 12:43:46 PM »
They only mainly lose sleep over it because they are not equipped to deal with it. Incidental experience alert: Rabbi tells wife of addict that they only have a shalom bayis problem and should work on that. Rebbetzin refers her to addiction specialist!
With all due respect to your experience in the field, that's baloney. I know first hand. As a simple example, at the recent Agudah Convention there was a closed door session with Mental Health professionals and very significant Rabbonim, who consult with them and refer patients to them on a multiple times a day basis. I have first hand knowledge of many, many such incidents.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #583 on: December 23, 2016, 12:47:40 PM »
Feelings don't care about your facts

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« Reply #584 on: December 23, 2016, 12:50:20 PM »
With all due respect to your experience in the field, that's baloney. I know first hand. As a simple example, at the recent Agudah Convention there was a closed door session with Mental Health professionals and very significant Rabbonim, who consult with them and refer patients to them on a multiple times a day basis. I have first hand knowledge of many, many such incidents.
I agree with you in that aspect. Those rabbonim lose sleep over many klal issues. But your run of the mill shteeble rabbi is not equipped, at all. Again, incidental experience alert: Well educated YU graduate pulpit Rabbi had no clue his congregant was an addict when the behavior affected the Rabbi himself.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #585 on: December 23, 2016, 12:53:52 PM »
I agree with you in that aspect. Those rabbonim lose sleep over many klal issues. But your run of the mill shteeble rabbi is not equipped, at all. Again, incidental experience alert: Well educated YU graduate pulpit Rabbi had no clue his congregant was an addict when the behavior affected the Rabbi himself.
So we agree. We have to be careful of using a broad brush here. The end effect of that is all Rabbonim are discredited, all yeshivas are bad etc.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #586 on: December 23, 2016, 12:56:44 PM »
So we agree. We have to be careful of using a broad brush here. The end effect of that is all Rabbonim are discredited, all yeshivas are bad etc.
Chas V'Shalom. Sorry if that's how it came off. Most Rabbonim, if not all carry very weighty burdens. People struggling with mental health issues in their congregation is but one of those issues. But as far as addiction is concerned, like with therapists I have spoken to, if you are not trained to see the signs and symptoms, its very difficult to identify what you are looking at. After the fact its very obvious.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #587 on: December 25, 2016, 12:15:33 PM »
And another one last week... But who's counting.

May the family have a nechamah.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #588 on: December 25, 2016, 12:18:12 PM »
And another one last week... But who's counting.

May the family have a nechamah.
Oy. ANother one too many.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #589 on: December 26, 2016, 08:20:55 PM »
People who are doing a lot more than just posting on a forum.
A very worthy cause.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #590 on: December 27, 2016, 03:55:35 PM »
People who are doing a lot more than just posting on a forum.
A very worthy cause.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #592 on: May 14, 2017, 05:47:08 PM »
Powerful article.
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #594 on: May 14, 2017, 08:40:06 PM »
The shame and stigma are not just in the frum community
Just generally worse in religious communities. Not just Jewish ones either...
"Not all who wander are lost"

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #596 on: May 25, 2017, 08:03:50 AM »
https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20170523/crown-heights/opioid-overdoses-lubavitch-crown-heights-operation-survival-naloxone
Beautiful. There was recently an addiction awareness event in BP/Flatbush where they trained people too and handed out rescue kits. Good work.

 Shea Hechts statement is endemic of the excuses used to avoid reality.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #597 on: June 05, 2017, 03:12:52 PM »
Bde. Another silent death.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #598 on: June 05, 2017, 03:19:48 PM »

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #599 on: June 05, 2017, 03:31:49 PM »
Lakewood?
Tri state area. (It was called silent for a reason...)