Author Topic: Silent Killer (Read 216817 times)

From Whatsapp: In the last week we lost 3 young souls to the war with drugs. A 30 year old girl from Flatbush. 22 year old boy from Monsey and a 22 year old girl from Boro Park. I know that people want to keep it quiet - I, Zvi Gluck, ask that we make noise. Lots of it. Maybe if we make more noise, people will get the help they need. Sadly, many people are looking for help, but can't afford it. And it isn't as popular to pay for someone's rehab as other worthy causes. Let's work together and change that. Let's break the stigma associated with addiction. Let's get people help. And let's stop talking about overdoses and start taking about how people are getting help.

aygart · « **Reply #614 on:** June 25, 2017, 01:59:23 PM »

Doesn't the existence of a stigma create a barrier for some from become addicts?

hvaces42 · « **Reply #615 on:** June 25, 2017, 02:08:25 PM »

Quote from: aygart on June 25, 2017, 01:59:23 PM

Doesn't the existence of a stigma create a barrier for some from become addicts?

IMO no stigma in the world will stop someone from becoming an addict. One is either pre-disposed or not.

If youre saying, for instance, a frum yeshiva bochur wouldnt get involved in drugs because s'past nit. They get hooked on cigarettes clandestinely at first and then its out in the open. Same with any other addiction. At first its בצנעה...then its בפרהסיה.

aygart · « **Reply #616 on:** June 25, 2017, 02:33:30 PM »

Quote from: hvaces42 on June 25, 2017, 02:08:25 PM

IMO no stigma in the world will stop someone from becoming an addict. One is either pre-disposed or not.

If youre saying, for instance, a frum yeshiva bochur wouldnt get involved in drugs because s'past nit. They get hooked on cigarettes clandestinely at first and then its out in the open. Same with any other addiction. At first its בצנעה...then its בפרהסיה.

Is there science to back that up? It is either true or untrue not subject to opinions of the non CD kind. If true let's call back the psychologists since it is something medical not psychological.

You do not think that there are some who resist that next step due to the stigma?

hvaces42 · « **Reply #617 on:** June 25, 2017, 02:43:12 PM »

Quote from: aygart on June 25, 2017, 02:33:30 PM

Is there science to back that up? It is either true or untrue not subject to opinions of the non CD kind. If true let's call back the psychologists since it is something medical not psychological.

You do not think that there are some who resist that next step due to the stigma?

Plenty of people hold themselves back for various reasons including stigma. But no amount of self-control can stop an addict in the throes of their addiction.

One has to work on themselves to hold back from getting caught up. Many are able to. Many are not.

And since when is psychological mutually exclusive from medical. Your refusal to admit that there is a problem without scientific evidence when the boots on the ground are telling you all you need to know is indeed telling. Keep your head in the sand. Keep finding excuses why you wont believe this or that fact on the ground.

aygart · « **Reply #618 on:** June 25, 2017, 02:46:33 PM »

Quote from: hvaces42 on June 25, 2017, 02:43:12 PM

Plenty of people hold themselves back for various reasons including stigma. But no amount of self-control can stop an addict in the throes of their addiction.

One has to work on themselves to hold back from getting caught up. Many are able to. Many are not.

sounds like we are in agreement. If so we should make sure that the stigma stays so that more and more people would have that as an incentive to hold themselves back.

aygart · « **Reply #619 on:** June 25, 2017, 03:00:29 PM »

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