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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #780 on: July 12, 2017, 05:15:37 PM »
We dont disagree on the issue, only the method of addressing it. I say scream חי וקיים and you say shhhhhhh.
Not quite shhhhhh but also not screaming.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #781 on: July 12, 2017, 07:12:42 PM »
https://www.unidy.org/malky
henche sharing a charidy campaign! we've truly made strides

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #782 on: July 12, 2017, 07:13:02 PM »
Not quite shhhhhh but also not screaming.
round and round we go

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #783 on: July 12, 2017, 07:26:00 PM »
henche sharing a charidy campaign! we've truly made strides

Did not.  Has none of the aspects of charidy

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #784 on: July 12, 2017, 07:28:42 PM »
round and round we go
Still no suggestions.

I heard this great idea for an Olympic sport for liberals...synchronized hand-wringing. Maybe we can beat them to the punch and develop that to combat this scourge.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #785 on: July 12, 2017, 07:34:20 PM »
I dont know what to "do" but unlike cancer, this is a preventable disease. 
I mentioned a yom tefila (a prayer gathering, not a demonstration) because of the feeling of total hopelessness I felt about this situation when I was forwarded a picture of another sweet looking young boy, the latest victim...  Raising money for the levaya...

The life of pain that these parent now have live is incomprehensible..

One thing is certain. We are not doing enough.. (and the reason is that many of the best and brightest askonim are afraid to be tarnished by the stigma. They won't touch it.. )


Remember when the Jewish observer put out the kids on the fringe edition? Caused massive awareness and change in the community...
Something similar is definitely in order.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #786 on: July 12, 2017, 07:36:00 PM »
Still no suggestions.

I heard this great idea for an Olympic sport for liberals...synchronized hand-wringing. Maybe we can beat them to the punch and develop that to combat this scourge.
I agree with you just  not with the pointless circle you 2 go over and over again

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #787 on: July 12, 2017, 07:36:22 PM »
round and round we go
Not quite shhhhhh but also not screaming.
We call this hedging.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #788 on: July 16, 2017, 12:19:44 PM »
Going to work on that psak.

Any update on this?

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #789 on: July 16, 2017, 12:22:09 PM »
Any update on this?
Have not as of yet. I'm willing to personally take anyones gehinnom if they go to a meeting in a church until i can produce a psak. Rav Elya Brudny is said to have a psak in hand. I'm waiting to get that one as well.
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Re: Silent Killer
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #791 on: July 16, 2017, 03:41:38 PM »
Whoever made the call to kick her out after she had been accepted should be permanently barred from any influence over the education of children.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #792 on: July 16, 2017, 04:34:42 PM »
Whoever made the call to kick her out after she had been accepted should be permanently barred from any influence over the education of children.
At the face of it this sounds right, but I would not make such a statement without knowing all of the facts from more than just the family's point of view.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #793 on: July 16, 2017, 05:03:38 PM »
At the face of it this sounds right, but I would not make such a statement without knowing all of the facts from more than just the family's point of view.
You are correct. I should have prefaced with “If this is accurate.. “

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #794 on: July 16, 2017, 06:24:14 PM »
At the face of it this sounds right, but I would not make such a statement without knowing all of the facts from more than just the family's point of view.
Kids get kicked out of schools all the time. It's not a big deal to the mosdos.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #795 on: July 16, 2017, 06:27:52 PM »
Kids get kicked out of schools all the time. It's not a big deal to the mosdos.
Though from what I have seen in the name of various Chassidishe and Litvishe leaders, no school should kick out a child unless they have verified that the child will be accepted elsewhere.
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #796 on: July 16, 2017, 07:38:37 PM »
Though from what I have seen in the name of various Chassidishe and Litvishe leaders, no school should kick out a child unless they have verified that the child will be accepted elsewhere.
Meh. That's just academics. Even when they do that, they don't necessarily take the care to make sure the kid doesn't feel like a dog...

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #797 on: July 17, 2017, 12:20:19 AM »
Kids get kicked out of schools all the time. It's not a big deal to the mosdos.
There is a massive difference between kicking a kid out because of his behavior and what appears to had have happens here.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #798 on: July 17, 2017, 12:22:28 AM »
Rabbi YY Jacobson addresses the 'leadership' and addiction in this clip, portion at 28:00 minutes in, he says we have this year, alone 120 young women and men in the torah observant community.
It goes untl 37:00 minutes. Well worth listening to for 9 minutes.

Link: http://bit.ly/RabbiJacobsonSchoolLeadershipAddictionIssue

people worshipping the system vs. the system is there to promote life, (not as traps to promote death, he says...)

There is a massive difference between kicking a kid out because of his behavior and what appears to had have happens here.
Here, Rabbi Jacobson said it was 3 things (eating in a pizza shop, buying a friend a $20 gift, and 'nivul peh', and that's why she was kicked out. They did not allow even one week to find another school. This affected her terribly.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #799 on: July 17, 2017, 12:30:51 AM »
There is a massive difference between kicking a kid out because of his behavior and what appears to had have happens here.
Would the same person kicking out a child (or teenager), whether because of academics or behavior, kick out their own child under the same terms?

I once heard from someone who was a melamed for many years, that anyone who doesn't unconditionally love each and every child he teaches, doesn't belong in chinuch!
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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