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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #975 on: August 04, 2017, 01:47:57 PM »
Huh? There's a widespread narcotic epidemic. Didn't you know this?
I am not debating the facts, questioning or G-d forbid belittling the tragedies. I am asking the "why?" "why now"?

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #976 on: August 04, 2017, 01:50:48 PM »
I am not debating the facts, questioning or G-d forbid belittling the tragedies. I am asking the "why?" "why now"?
אם לא עכשיו אימתי
1. Prescription drugs became more effective in pain management.
2. Pain management became more common.
3. Addiction to pain medication became an issue.
4. Pain medication alone didnt provide the high anymore.
5. Heroin and fentanyl become the drug of choice to get to rhe higher high.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #977 on: August 04, 2017, 02:11:05 PM »
אם לא עכשיו אימתי
1. Prescription drugs became more effective in pain management.
2. Pain management became more common.

3. Addiction to pain medication became an issue.
4. Pain medication alone didnt provide the high anymore.
5. Heroin and fentanyl become the drug of choice to get to rhe higher high.

I'm not so sure on the accuracy of 1 & 2.

I've been prescribed pain medication in the past, and took only the minimum necessary. I didn't enjoy the slight "high" feeling that came along with it. I was also prescribed same by a dentist, and though I had the prescription filled, didn't take even one. My son just had minor surgery and was prescribed pain killers, he was scared to take it. Eventually, he took one, but then felt he didn't need any more. I would guess that most people won't sell or give away any leftovers they have (I probably have quite a bit of leftovers at home, which I keep in case of emergency).

Doctors are very careful and hesitant in prescribing these nowadays, much more than 5 or 10 years ago. And there's a lot more oversight. I honestly doubt whether painkiller are the gateway (except when some really needed them for some time, and got addicted - which isn't common enough to make this into an epidemic).

Now weed is a totally different story. I can see how legalization, removal of stigma as something totally bad, etc. etc. could make that a very easy gateway.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #978 on: August 04, 2017, 02:18:28 PM »
How many pain management centers were around 20 years ago and how many are there today?
Oxy wasnt around 20 years ago.

Yes regulation is finally catching up. Most doctors who used to prescribe pain meds can no longer do so without first having the patient go to pain management. Cross-referencing and watchlists for doctors and pharmacies are maybe 2 years old in NY. Mandatory eScript and doing away with hand written prescriptions is also less than a year old in NY.

I too went to the dentist and got tylenol with codiene,  of which i took exactly 2 and was done with the rest. The guy in shul who has oxy and percocet he refills regularly for his (no longer hurting) hip replacement and doesnt use and has been (quietly) looking for a buyer is the problem we have.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #979 on: August 04, 2017, 02:45:06 PM »
(I probably have quite a bit of leftovers at home, which I keep in case of emergency).
And if some teenager gets a hold of it...

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #980 on: August 04, 2017, 02:46:39 PM »
And if some teenager gets a hold of it...
Or sells it to his friends for some extra cash...
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #981 on: August 04, 2017, 03:13:37 PM »
The guy in shul who has oxy and percocet he refills regularly for his (no longer hurting) hip replacement and doesnt use and has been (quietly) looking for a buyer is the problem we have.

Are you serious?

If this is real, I would ask a competent LOR what to do. My initial reaction is that this would almost qualify for דין רודף!
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #982 on: August 04, 2017, 03:14:55 PM »
And if some teenager gets a hold of it...
B.H. not an issue in my household. If there was ever any type of חשש דחשש of anything of the sort, it wouldn't be kept at home for a second.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #983 on: August 04, 2017, 03:15:49 PM »
Or sells it to his friends for some extra cash...
My kids just come to Dad's ATM. (Not sure if  :) or  :( is the appropriate emoji for this).
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #984 on: August 04, 2017, 03:22:17 PM »
Are you serious?

If this is real, I would ask a competent LOR what to do. My initial reaction is that this would almost qualify for דין רודף!
Im in the minority on thinking exactly the way you do. Everyone thinks he's kidding. I know he isnt.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #985 on: August 04, 2017, 05:21:23 PM »
Are you serious?

If this is real, I would ask a competent LOR what to do. My initial reaction is that this would almost qualify for דין רודף!
What's the shaila? Of course he has din of a rodeph. He shouls be reported to the authorities asap.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #986 on: August 04, 2017, 05:35:23 PM »
Im in the minority on thinking exactly the way you do. Everyone thinks he's kidding. I know he isnt.
If you know he's not, why not ask a competent LOR what to do, and ACT ON IT!
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #987 on: August 04, 2017, 05:56:42 PM »
If you know he's not, why not ask a competent LOR what to do, and ACT ON IT!
+1 You seem to be familiar enough with who understands these issues.
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion.

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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #988 on: August 04, 2017, 06:47:03 PM »
+1 You seem to be familiar enough with who understands these issues.
He is not actively selling. He has a stash and he is shopping it. Its not as simple as it seems unfortunately. It never is.
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Re: Silent Killer
« Reply #989 on: August 05, 2017, 02:32:35 PM »
He is not actively selling. He has a stash and he is shopping it. Its not as simple as it seems unfortunately. It never is.
Buy it and then report.