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Re: Terrorist attack in Nice (southern France) - over 75 dead
« Reply #40 on: July 15, 2016, 12:26:53 AM »
Do Palestinians strike first to avoid being struck?
Who wouldn't

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Re: Terrorist attack in Nice (southern France) - over 75 dead
« Reply #41 on: July 15, 2016, 12:27:56 AM »
Who wouldn't
That's not what i meant. I meant that they are the ones who strike first.

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Re: Terrorist attack in Nice (southern France) - over 75 dead
« Reply #42 on: July 15, 2016, 12:33:02 AM »
  not every Muslim is a terrorist but every terrorist is a Muslim so true
I didn't know Timothy McVeigh was a Muslim.  ::)
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Re: Terrorist attack in Nice (southern France) - over 75 dead
« Reply #43 on: July 15, 2016, 12:33:43 AM »
That's not what i meant. I meant that they are the ones who strike first.
That's not the Palestinian vantage point, Palestinians claim to be resisting an occupation, which is self defense.

And please don't drag me into the Isra- Pal conflict argument.

I was just trying to point out how stupid the "Violence" argument is.

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Re: Terrorist attack in Nice (southern France) - over 75 dead
« Reply #44 on: July 15, 2016, 12:38:59 AM »
That's not the Palestinian vantage point, Palestinians claim to be resisting an occupation, which is self defense.

And please don't drag me into the Isra- Pal conflict argument.

I was just trying to point out how stupid the "Violence" argument is.
Of course.
But resisting occupation by killing random civilians if not on the same level as killing a potential terrorist

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Re: Terrorist attack in Nice (southern France) - over 75 dead
« Reply #45 on: July 15, 2016, 12:42:21 AM »
Of course.
But resisting occupation by killing random civilians if not on the same level as killing a potential terrorist
And please don't drag me into the Isra- Pal conflict argument.

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Re: Terrorist attack in Nice (southern France) - over 75 dead
« Reply #46 on: July 15, 2016, 12:48:38 AM »
Do Palestinians strike first to avoid being struck?
They say Israel struck first, through their oppression, occupation, and affliction. They're fighting for their freedom.
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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Re: Terrorist attack in Nice (southern France) - over 75 dead
« Reply #47 on: July 15, 2016, 12:49:57 AM »
That's not the Palestinian vantage point, Palestinians claim to be resisting an occupation, which is self defense.

And please don't drag me into the Isra- Pal conflict argument.

I was just trying to point out how stupid the "Violence" argument is.

So violence is never the answer?
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Re: Terrorist attack in Nice (southern France) - over 75 dead
« Reply #48 on: July 15, 2016, 12:51:39 AM »
That's the Palestinian argument against Israel.

And please don't drag me into the Isra- Pal conflict argument.

Never hard to spot the raving lunatics...
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Re: Terrorist attack in Nice (southern France) - over 75 dead
« Reply #49 on: July 15, 2016, 12:52:29 AM »
So violence is never the answer?

Never. Showing power is.

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Re: Terrorist attack in Nice (southern France) - over 75 dead
« Reply #50 on: July 15, 2016, 01:01:03 AM »
Never. Showing power is.

Very naive.
1. As stated, violence to defend oneself is definitely okay
2. Power without the threat of violence is not power
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Re: Terrorist attack in Nice (southern France) - over 75 dead
« Reply #51 on: July 15, 2016, 01:02:58 AM »


That's not the Palestinian vantage point, Palestinians claim to be resisting an occupation, which is self defense.

And please don't drag me into the Isra- Pal conflict argument.

I was just trying to point out how stupid the "Violence" argument is.

This will always be true. Whether you're right or wrong depends on your perspective.
In the terrorist's case; if he truly believes that God's will is for him to perpetuate this attack; is he really wrong? It's irrelevant, as he is a danger to society and must be eliminated.
If there's a gorilla about to kill a child; it's completely irrelevant whether the gorilla is "right" or "wrong", and whether it's someone's fault that the child is in the gorilla's reach. The child is endangered, and the threat must be eliminated.
This terrorist can be no better than the animal; that although guided by instinct that may be right from its perspective, it's a menace that must be taken care of.
Defining eliminating this dangerous element as violence and thereby condemning all violence as wrong is stupid.
What Chapshnell was saying is that beating up every Muslim you see is not an answer, because it does nothing to eliminate any known existing threats, and is just senseless and cruel violence.
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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Re: Terrorist attack in Nice (southern France) - over 75 dead
« Reply #52 on: July 15, 2016, 01:03:40 AM »
Never hard to spot the raving lunatics...
It seems you missed the point.
Who do you think you are fooling? You think you are going to pull a quick one on your Creator? Good luck with that.
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Re: Terrorist attack in Nice (southern France) - over 75 dead
« Reply #53 on: July 15, 2016, 01:04:23 AM »
How about the Dallas cop killer. Did the cops show power or use violence when they took him out?
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Re: Terrorist attack in Nice (southern France) - over 75 dead
« Reply #54 on: July 15, 2016, 01:07:14 AM »
FRANCE: Death toll at 80, including 2 Americans. Truck driver was 31y/o Nice resident of Tunisian origin. Believed to have been ISIS attack.

He was nice? Whats going on here...
Makes it sound like he was nice

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Re: Terrorist attack in Nice (southern France) - over 75 dead
« Reply #55 on: July 15, 2016, 01:10:45 AM »
FRANCE: Death toll at 80, including 2 Americans. Truck driver was 31y/o Nice resident of Tunisian origin. Believed to have been ISIS attack.

He was nice? Whats going on here...
Makes it sound like he was nice
Come on. Nice is the city.

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Re: Terrorist attack in Nice (southern France) - over 75 dead
« Reply #56 on: July 15, 2016, 01:14:28 AM »
It seems you missed the point.

The guy who starts the Israel/Pali convo pleads to not get dragged into the Israel/Pali convo.

What am I missing?
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Re: Terrorist attack in Nice (southern France) - over 75 dead
« Reply #57 on: July 15, 2016, 01:21:02 AM »
The guy who starts the Israel/Pali convo pleads to not get dragged into the Israel/Pali convo.

What am I missing?
That all he was saying is that claiming that violence is OK when you're right, but not when you're wrong, is a conversation in futility because each side believes themselves to be right. He was just using the Israeli  Palestinian "conflict" (I don't like when calling it that, makes it sound 2 sided) as an example of where people are using violence that they believe to be justified and we believe to be wrong. His personal views don't change their perspective, which is why he said he's not getting involved. Somehow, that was interpreted to mean that he believes them justified.
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Re: Terrorist attack in Nice (southern France) - over 75 dead
« Reply #58 on: July 15, 2016, 01:21:44 AM »
FRANCE: Death toll at 80, including 2 Americans. Truck driver was 31y/o Nice resident of Tunisian origin. Believed to have been ISIS attack.

He was nice? Whats going on here...
Makes it sound like he was nice

Nician?
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