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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #180 on: September 02, 2016, 02:22:17 AM »
I guess I am not as hard line on this as you are. I think the pig socks aren't as bad as the sitting. They at least have something to do with the issue.
It shows a pattern.
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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #181 on: September 02, 2016, 07:46:56 AM »
It shows a pattern.

Nothing wrong with a pattern - if you agree with the statement. 

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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #182 on: September 02, 2016, 07:49:42 AM »
Nothing wrong with a pattern - if you agree with the statement.
If the statement is hatred based then I agree with it.
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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #183 on: September 02, 2016, 09:31:34 AM »
This is one messed up individual.

"While a naval officer sang the first notes of "The Star-Spangled Banner" and dozens of military members unfurled an oversized flag on the football field, Colin Kaepernick and Eric Reid dropped to one knee on the San Francisco 49ers' sideline."
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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #184 on: September 02, 2016, 09:38:20 AM »
What's the symbolism of taking a knee instead of sitting. I don't know enough about football.  In little league, it's what the kids do to show respect when a player on the other team gets hurt.  Is it possible that this was a compromise and he was showing respect for the symbolism while still protesting?

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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #185 on: September 02, 2016, 09:41:46 AM »
Is it possible that this was a compromise and he was showing respect for the symbolism while still protesting?
Who knows.
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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #186 on: September 02, 2016, 09:45:52 AM »
Dig through the tweets with that hashtag for the last 2 days. There are dozens of vets tweeting their support. 

And that's my point. You're correct that nobody is arguing about the right. My point is that whether it's an act that is insulting to the veterans isn't black and white. Many veterans are saying that this is what they fought for.  And intend to agree with that. The kishke reaction is that he's being insulting.  But if you think about it, what makes us free is not popular speech. Unpopular, offensive speech is exactly the freedom that they've defended.

There is also no lack of veterans who disagree and are offended. I respect them as well and think Kasperwhateverhisnameis should find some way to reach out to them and do a better job explaining what he's doing and why.

There are also vets that killed cops...Remember who killed the 5 cops in Dallas 2 months ago?? That's right an ex army vet

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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #187 on: September 02, 2016, 09:46:34 AM »
Dig through the tweets with that hashtag for the last 2 days. There are dozens of vets tweeting their support. 

And that's my point. You're correct that nobody is arguing about the right. My point is that whether it's an act that is insulting to the veterans isn't black and white. Many veterans are saying that this is what they fought for.  And intend to agree with that. The kishke reaction is that he's being insulting.  But if you think about it, what makes us free is not popular speech. Unpopular, offensive speech is exactly the freedom that they've defended.

There is also no lack of veterans who disagree and are offended. I respect them as well and think Kasperwhateverhisnameis should find some way to reach out to them and do a better job explaining what he's doing and why.



There are also vets that killed cops...Remember who killed the 5 cops in Dallas 2 months ago?? That's right an ex army vet

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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #188 on: September 02, 2016, 09:48:18 AM »
The conservatives sound like liberals in this case. He can do what he wants but he shouldn't because they get offended or because it hurts the feelings of vets or makes the flag sad.  Sounds like a reversal of roles in this case.

It's not just veterans...... it's all Americans he is offending.

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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #189 on: September 02, 2016, 10:00:02 AM »
It's not just veterans...... it's all Americans he is offending.

Except those that disagree with you.

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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #190 on: September 02, 2016, 10:03:03 AM »
Except those that disagree with you.
Nope even those just they just don't realize it.
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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #191 on: September 02, 2016, 10:03:32 AM »
What's the symbolism of taking a knee instead of sitting. I don't know enough about football.  In little league, it's what the kids do to show respect when a player on the other team gets hurt.  Is it possible that this was a compromise and he was showing respect for the symbolism while still protesting?
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/49ers/2016/09/01/colin-kaepernick-national-anthem-protest-police-socks/89743344/

He said kneeling rather than sitting was a gesture of respect for servicemen during the Chargers’ 28th annual Salute to the Military game.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #192 on: September 02, 2016, 10:15:41 AM »
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/49ers/2016/09/01/colin-kaepernick-national-anthem-protest-police-socks/89743344/

He said kneeling rather than sitting was a gesture of respect for servicemen during the Chargers’ 28th annual Salute to the Military game.
So he's getting a little smarter about this protest.
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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #193 on: September 02, 2016, 10:19:35 AM »
So he's getting a little smarter about this protest.

Its all a game on his part, hence growing out the afro.

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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #194 on: September 02, 2016, 11:43:33 AM »
Nope even those just they just don't realize it.

That's deep. Nice!

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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #195 on: September 02, 2016, 11:46:22 AM »
That's deep. Nice!
or shallow to those that disagree  :)

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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #196 on: September 02, 2016, 11:47:43 AM »
What's the symbolism of taking a knee instead of sitting. I don't know enough about football.  In little league, it's what the kids do to show respect when a player on the other team gets hurt.  Is it possible that this was a compromise and he was showing respect for the symbolism while still protesting?
That was my immediate thought. But who knows with this guy.

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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #197 on: September 02, 2016, 11:48:10 AM »
I understand the connection. But I don't agree that the military is in any way the main theme or reason for respecting the flag/anthem.
Iknow nothing about this guy and his sit down.
However I do need to agree with CBC.
When we pleged allegience, wether in Kindergarden, or at our HS graduation, I just felt (proud) happy and lucky to be in a country that allowed us (and everyone else) the opportunity to practice relegion as we wished, and a country that allowed one to pursue their dream, and do all that they could to suceed.
My happiness was directed towards all my fellow countrymen, of all relegion, and mostly towards the govornment, who set up and enforced this system. Is the military a part of it? yes. But thats not what i was thinking about. (As I am older, my thoughts are the same, but maybe I also think of Baseball when I heat the anthem.)
No disrespect meant toward the military, but thats not what pops into my head when I see the flag.
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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #198 on: September 02, 2016, 02:02:24 PM »
How about donating 10 million to a cause that helps young black kids? That will grab some headlines and he doesn't have to disrespect anyone doing it.
Does this change anything
https://www.google.com/amp/www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/colin-kaepernick-says-hell-donate-1-million-to-charities-that-help-communities-in-need/amp/

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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #199 on: September 02, 2016, 02:04:02 PM »
He should have done that first. Timing is everything.