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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #60 on: August 29, 2016, 01:54:25 PM »
Yes. What is difference if he chose one over the other to get his point across? They are both protected by the 1st amendment.

To me it's like saying that a guy who beats up his wife with a bat is basically the same as a guy that yells at his wife.
Yes, they're both forms of domestic abuse but they're issues of completely different levels of severity.

Burning a flag is done out of anger and is usually accompanied by "Death to [America/Israel/Infidels]" chants.
Not standing up for a flag is a protest of disappointment, saying, "I'm embarrassed by some of this countries policies, why should stand up and respect it?".

To answer your question with snark, liberals and conservatives are all saying the same thing, after all their speech is protected by the 1st amendment.
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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #61 on: August 29, 2016, 02:01:57 PM »
1. IMHO there is no right and wrong on this issue, people feel whatever way they want, that's their right.

2. Who said that admitting their are issues like police brutality delegitimizes the country? The country has many issues, one of them police brutality, and he wants to highlight it so we can improve.

3. Who said he doesn't appreciate what the US did for him? Just because he is happy with his life means he cannot have a voice? He is not allowed to speak for others that he feels are victimized? It's really easy to be happy with status quo when you are on top of the world.

4. The fact that you think they are similar is enough for me to realize that we are not on the same page.
I only enjoy debating when the sides aren't so far apart and filled with exaggerations.
He said that a country with these issues does not deserve for him to stand for it or something along those lines. That is the gist of the protest and how he intended it.
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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #62 on: August 29, 2016, 02:11:17 PM »
To me it's like saying that a guy who beats up his wife with a bat is basically the same as a guy that yells at his wife.
This is where you lose me. One is illegal and one isn't. Maybe use the analogy where I guy poisons his wife in her sleep and the other kills her with a baseball bat. They are both murder but the poisoning isn't as severe so it is not the same?

He has a right to sit or burn. No one is arguing that point. The point we are making it is a sign of disrespect. He can make his point without disrespecting the flag or those who serve defending it. When you disrespect the flag that tells me a lot about the individual.
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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #63 on: August 29, 2016, 02:13:45 PM »
He said that a country with these issues does not deserve for him to stand for it or something along those lines. That is the gist of the protest and how he intended it.
"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color,"

According to this logic we should no person of a minority standing up for the flag. I better not see any Jew standing up.  :)
Good thing 99% of the country is messed up as this kid is in his thinking.
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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #64 on: August 29, 2016, 02:15:57 PM »
This is where you lose me. One is illegal and one isn't. Maybe use the analogy where I guy poisons his wife in her sleep and the other kills her with a baseball bat. They are both murder but the poisoning isn't as severe so it is not the same?

He has a right to sit or burn. No one is arguing that point. The point we are making it is a sign of disrespect. He can make his point without disrespecting the flag or those who serve defending it. When you disrespect the flag that tells me a lot about the individual.

How do you suggest he make his point?

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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #65 on: August 29, 2016, 02:19:32 PM »
This is where you lose me. One is illegal and one isn't. Maybe use the analogy where I guy poisons his wife in her sleep and the other kills her with a baseball bat. They are both murder but the poisoning isn't as severe so it is not the same?

He has a right to sit or burn. No one is arguing that point. The point we are making it is a sign of disrespect. He can make his point without disrespecting the flag or those who serve defending it. When you disrespect the flag that tells me a lot about the individual.

Well you are wrong.
http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/spousal-abuse-laws.html

I disagree about your "disrespect" points but no need to repeat myself.
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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #66 on: August 29, 2016, 02:20:02 PM »
How do you suggest he make his point?
How about donating 10 million to a cause that helps young black kids? That will grab some headlines and he doesn't have to disrespect anyone doing it.
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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #67 on: August 29, 2016, 02:22:46 PM »
How about donating 10 million to a cause that helps young black kids? That will grab some headlines and he doesn't have to disrespect anyone doing it.

That will stop police brutality??

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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #68 on: August 29, 2016, 02:24:57 PM »
Well you are wrong.
http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/spousal-abuse-laws.html
No I am not wrong. Yelling by itself at someone is not illegal. It better go farther than that.

Verbal abuse (such as threats of physical harm, intimidating language, or degrading language)
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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #69 on: August 29, 2016, 02:26:39 PM »
That will stop police brutality??
Then donate to causes that bring the problem to the forefront. How the hell is sitting during the Anthem going to stop police brutality?
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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #70 on: August 29, 2016, 02:27:35 PM »
Then donate to causes that bring the problem to the forefront. How the hell is sitting during the Anthem going to stop police brutality?

By the fact that it made the news and you and I are talking about it is proof that he successfully brought the problem to the forefront.

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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #71 on: August 29, 2016, 02:28:46 PM »
No I am not wrong. Yelling by itself at someone is not illegal. It better go farther than that.

Verbal abuse (such as threats of physical harm, intimidating language, or degrading language)

It depends on what is being yelled, so yes verbal abuse can be abuse but beating someone with a bat is another level.
You got my point well.
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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #72 on: August 29, 2016, 02:29:35 PM »
Then donate to causes that bring the problem to the forefront. How the hell is sitting during the Anthem going to stop police brutality?

How does a football wearing a pink ribbon stop breast cancer?
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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #73 on: August 29, 2016, 02:34:30 PM »
By the fact that it made the news and you and I are talking about it is proof that he successfully brought the problem to the forefront.
Please, No one needed Kepernick to bring awareness, it's all over the media. If he wanted to make a diffrence he could have found a more effective way to do it.

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Re: Colin Kaepernick protest against USA
« Reply #74 on: August 29, 2016, 02:35:30 PM »
How does a football wearing a pink ribbon stop breast cancer?
It brings awareness.