Store Won't Take Returns From Lakewood, Brooklyn, Monsey, Monroe or Passaic

[yuneeq]

And the only reason you're certain isn't the cause is that Frum people from those areas have abused her return policy in the past?

There's simply no return policy to abuse.
Can you find a way?

Unless you are suggesting she used to have an abusable return policy, it got abused, she changed the rules so no one from anywhere can return used items, and added an additional restriction so she can get revenge on certain customers.

[mochjas]

It shouldn't be that hard to differentiate between worn returns and unworn returns. Her policy should be all unworn clothing can be returned with original tags.

This is not a frum problem IMO. All department stores have this issue with non Jews as well wearing dresses once and returning them knowing they will never wear it again. So now instead of discriminating, Bloomingdales and lord and Taylor put tags on the outside of a dress so you cannot wear the dress without removing it and once it is removed you cannot return the dress.

I don't see them getting any heat since they did it the right way.

[ya]

There's simply no return policy to abuse.
Can you find a way?

Unless you are suggesting she used to have an abusable return policy, it got abused, she changed the rules so no one from anywhere can return used items, and added an additional restriction so she can get revenge on certain customers.

Some frum people  (as im sure others do as well) have tag machines so it can be abused. Im sure ther are other ways for it to be as well.

[yuneeq]

It shouldn't be that hard to differentiate between worn returns and unworn returns. Her policy should be all unworn clothing can be returned with original tags.

That already is her policy, only difference that certain areas only get store credit for brand new returns while the rest get cash.

This is not a frum problem IMO. All department stores have this issue with non Jews as well wearing dresses once and returning them knowing they will never wear it again. So now instead of discriminating, Bloomingdales and lord and Taylor put tags on the outside of a dress so you cannot wear the dress without removing it and once it is removed you cannot return the dress.

I don't see them getting any heat since they did it the right way.

+100
I mentioned the tag suggestion earlier

[ya]

It shouldn't be that hard to differentiate between worn returns and unworn returns. Her policy should be all unworn clothing can be returned with original tags.

This is not a frum problem IMO. All department stores have this issue with non Jews as well wearing dresses once and returning them knowing they will never wear it again. So now instead of discriminating, Bloomingdales and lord and Taylor put tags on the outside of a dress so you cannot wear the dress without removing it and once it is removed you cannot return the dress.

I don't see them getting any heat since they did it the right way.

You can not compare a dept store to a small website. Bloomingdales can handle some loss. She probely cant handle a frum lady returning 10 dresses after Yom Tov. She also just lost out selling the 10 dresses to someone who would keep them. Now yom Tov season pasted and she can not sell them at all.

Also the suggestions of tags on the outside etc maybe she never thought of and they are great ideas.

[yuneeq]

Some frum people  (as im sure others do as well) have tag machines so it can be abused. Im sure ther are other ways for it to be as well.

Now that's something that I doubt 99% of the abusers do.
Besides, the policy still says that the clothing has to be in brand new condition.

[yuneeq]

You can not compare a dept store to a small website. Bloomingdales can handle some loss. She probely cant handle a frum lady returning 10 dresses after Yom Tov. She also just lost out selling the 10 dresses to someone who would keep them. Now yom Tov season pasted and she can not sell them at all.

Also the suggestions of tags on the outside etc maybe she never thought of and they are great ideas.

Any viable business must be able to handle a little bit of loss here and there.
I already mentioned that she might not have enough stock. Still her policy is a very, very, bad way of avoiding that issue.

[ya]

Now that's something that I doubt 99% of the abusers do.
Besides, the policy still says that the clothing has to be in brand new condition.
of course not . but its the 1% that kill her.

Any viable business must be able to handle a little bit of loss here and there.
I already mentioned that she might not have enough stock. Still her policy is a very, very, bad way of avoiding that issue.

I guess her data showed it was not worth dealing with the Jews. Maybe illegal but still fact. People scream discrimination on everything even though it isnt. Remember when Amazon started doing same day delivery in parts of Boston based on what zip codes have the most prime members. It turned out black areas no one had prime so they did not offer it. Everyone started freaking out. Sometimes its just based on data and not discrimination.

08701 may have had to many returns so the blocked that zip code.

(http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/27/technology/amazon-prime-boston-roxbury/index.html)

[Dave321]

Bottom line is the publicity is definitely going to help them.

[ya]

Bottom line is the publicity is definitely going to help them.

I dont think a few Jewish websites will effect them. Especially if they dont want to sell to the jews.

[aj8280]

What of we find out that return rates from Lake wood are not just a little bit higher but 500% more than the average. And what if we find out that this specific type of business can not handle these type of returns which is actually causing real losses.  And she was left with 2 options:

1) close down
2) change the return policy

What would everyone say then?

And why is everyone judging without knowing this information.

Every single peice of "advise", on this topic from this group and other is 100% speculation.  Anyone talking about how she should run her business from a business side does not have any hard data a out this particular store to back up their claims.

Is this not classical motzie shem rah? Aka massive chilul hashem!

It's time to look within chevra

[mochjas]

What of we find out that return rates from Lake wood are not just a little bit higher but 500% more than the average. And what if we find out that this specific type of business can not handle these type of returns which is actually causing real losses.  And she was left with 2 options:

1) close down
2) change the return policy

What would everyone say then?

And why is everyone judging without knowing this information.

Every single peice of "advise", on this topic from this group and other is 100% speculation.  Anyone talking about how she should run her business from a business side does not have any hard data a out this particular store to back up their claims.

Is this not classical motzie shem rah? Aka massive chilul hashem!

It's time to look within chevra

If you read the few articles that were published they asked her for a comment and she wouldnt comment so if she had a good reason she should have said what it was.

[yuneeq]

What of we find out that return rates from Lake wood are not just a little bit higher but 500% more than the average. And what if we find out that this specific type of business can not handle these type of returns which is actually causing real losses.  And she was left with 2 options:

1) close down
2) change the return policy

What would everyone say then?

And why is everyone judging without knowing this information.

Every single peice of "advise", on this topic from this group and other is 100% speculation.  Anyone talking about how she should run her business from a business side does not have any hard data a out this particular store to back up their claims.

Is this not classical motzie shem rah? Aka massive chilul hashem!

It's time to look within chevra

-100000
There is no return policy that is causing losses.
She is the only one making a massive chillul hashem right now.

[yuneeq]

I guess her data showed it was not worth dealing with the Jews. Maybe illegal but still fact. People scream discrimination on everything even though it isnt. Remember when Amazon started doing same day delivery in parts of Boston based on what zip codes have the most prime members. It turned out black areas no one had prime so they did not offer it. Everyone started freaking out. Sometimes its just based on data and not discrimination.

08701 may have had to many returns so the blocked that zip code.

(http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/27/technology/amazon-prime-boston-roxbury/index.html)

Look up the word discrimination, its clearly discrimination.
The only question is whether its illegal discrimination or not (- though I have a feeling it is.)

[aygart]

If you read the few articles that were published they asked her for a comment and she wouldnt comment so if she had a good reason she should have said what it was.

questionable

[JTZ]

Sometimes its just based on data and not discrimination.

Where I live less 5% of the population is black. Blacks receive about 50% of the speeding tickets. They just speed more, right?

[aj8280]

3 more comments 3 more speculative responses.
All speculation.

You have no idea why she didn't answer and you have no idea that the return  doesn't cause losses

All speculation

[aygart]

Where I live less 5% of the population is black. Blacks receive about 50% of the speeding tickets. They just speed more, right?

Maybe, maybe not. How would one know?

[Aaaron]

Unless you are suggesting she used to have an abusable return policy, it got abused, she changed the rules so no one from anywhere can return used items, and added an additional restriction so she can get revenge on certain customers.

That's what I was assuming.  Although I wouldn't consider it revenge.

[Aaaron]

If you read the few articles that were published they asked her for a comment and she wouldnt comment so if she had a good reason she should have said what it was.

If people were abusing the policy and she said "people from those geographical areas were abusing my policy," everyone would be up in arms about it.  People will always find grievances.