Author Topic: Store Won't Take Returns From Lakewood, Brooklyn, Monsey, Monroe or Passaic  (Read 71878 times)

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Re: Store Won't Take Returns From Lakewood, Brooklyn, Monsey, Monroe or Passaic
« Reply #360 on: February 16, 2017, 11:44:32 AM »
This must have been a disaster for them. Here they are only trying to protect themselves (albeit going overboard) and they end up with all of this bad PR and a run-in with the NJAG office. Not fun.
Who cares about them.
It's a
Big victory for frum shoppers!

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Re: Store Won't Take Returns From Lakewood, Brooklyn, Monsey, Monroe or Passaic
« Reply #361 on: February 16, 2017, 12:22:23 PM »
Who cares about them.
It's a

I wouldn't go so far as to say that, but I'm happy with victory as well. It's a pity that they approached this issue in a manner that led to all of this.
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Re: Store Won't Take Returns From Lakewood, Brooklyn, Monsey, Monroe or Passaic
« Reply #362 on: February 16, 2017, 12:25:35 PM »
I wouldn't go so far as to say that, but I'm happy with victory as well. It's a pity that they approached this issue in a manner that led to all of this.
Will you be happy if she needs to raise the prices on everybody as a result ? Will you be happy if she ends up going bankrupt ?

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Re: Store Won't Take Returns From Lakewood, Brooklyn, Monsey, Monroe or Passaic
« Reply #363 on: February 16, 2017, 12:33:05 PM »
How much of her sales were from those areas?
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Re: Store Won't Take Returns From Lakewood, Brooklyn, Monsey, Monroe or Passaic
« Reply #364 on: February 16, 2017, 12:41:05 PM »
How much of her sales were from those areas?
Dont know the answer to that but from this great article that yuneeq quoted, the return rate from these places was 34% compared with 2.8% from everywhere else.
http://www.vosizneias.com/249993/2016/09/20/new-york-high-end-online-kids-boutique-bans-returns-from-jewish-areas-by-necessity-says-owner/

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Re: Store Won't Take Returns From Lakewood, Brooklyn, Monsey, Monroe or Passaic
« Reply #365 on: February 16, 2017, 12:48:20 PM »
Will you be happy if she needs to raise the prices on everybody as a result ? Will you be happy if she ends up going bankrupt ?

I would be very unhappy if she goes bankrupt. If raising prices or creating a universally restrictive return policy is what's required, that is what she should do. Acting in an illegal and discriminatory manner, not to mention causing a massive chillul Hashem, is not the solution. Strictly requiring that all returns be in perfect condition would be a good place to start.
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Re: Store Won't Take Returns From Lakewood, Brooklyn, Monsey, Monroe or Passaic
« Reply #366 on: February 16, 2017, 12:49:18 PM »
Dont know the answer to that but from this great article that yuneeq quoted, the return rate from these places was 34% compared with 2.8% from everywhere else.
That's pretty excessive, a store like Nordstrom can handle that, returns like that could put a small store out of business. I'm not saying what she did was justified but I understand where she was coming from.
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Re: Store Won't Take Returns From Lakewood, Brooklyn, Monsey, Monroe or Passaic
« Reply #367 on: February 16, 2017, 12:53:28 PM »


the return rate from these places was 34% compared with 2.8% from everywhere else.
.....by her word.

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Re: Store Won't Take Returns From Lakewood, Brooklyn, Monsey, Monroe or Passaic
« Reply #368 on: February 16, 2017, 12:53:35 PM »
If raising prices or creating a universally restrictive return policy is what's required, that is what she should do.
That'll drive everyone away.
not to mention causing a massive chillul Hashem,
The abusers caused that
Strictly requiring that all returns be in perfect condition would be a good place to start.
That didn't work too well. Go back & read, we've been through all this.

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Re: Store Won't Take Returns From Lakewood, Brooklyn, Monsey, Monroe or Passaic
« Reply #369 on: February 16, 2017, 12:54:01 PM »

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Re: Store Won't Take Returns From Lakewood, Brooklyn, Monsey, Monroe or Passaic
« Reply #370 on: February 16, 2017, 12:55:21 PM »
That'll drive everyone away.The abusers caused thatThat didn't work too well. Go back & read, we've been through all this.

So clearly you are ok with a store using an illegal discriminatory policy to avoid dealing with an admittedly difficult situation
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Re: Store Won't Take Returns From Lakewood, Brooklyn, Monsey, Monroe or Passaic
« Reply #371 on: February 16, 2017, 12:58:07 PM »
So clearly you are ok with a store using an illegal discriminatory policy to avoid dealing with an admittedly difficult situation
No. I think she should close down & be forced to go look for another way to support her family.

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Re: Store Won't Take Returns From Lakewood, Brooklyn, Monsey, Monroe or Passaic
« Reply #372 on: February 16, 2017, 01:04:55 PM »
I will never forgive this lady for the massive chillul hashem that she caused.

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Re: Store Won't Take Returns From Lakewood, Brooklyn, Monsey, Monroe or Passaic
« Reply #373 on: February 16, 2017, 01:09:30 PM »
Big victory for frum shoppers!
http://nj.gov/oag/newsreleases17/pr20170216a.html

All those who thought the policy wasn't illegal, I'm glad to see you all proven wrong.
Who cares?

I thought:

everyone lost out now.

http://www.shanandtoad.com/Page/22/Return-Policy

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Re: Store Won't Take Returns From Lakewood, Brooklyn, Monsey, Monroe or Passaic
« Reply #374 on: February 16, 2017, 01:10:02 PM »
I will never forgive this lady for the massive chillul hashem that she caused.
How is that something for you to forgive or not forgive?
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Re: Store Won't Take Returns From Lakewood, Brooklyn, Monsey, Monroe or Passaic
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Re: Store Won't Take Returns From Lakewood, Brooklyn, Monsey, Monroe or Passaic
« Reply #376 on: February 16, 2017, 01:45:29 PM »
Who cares?

I thought:

How about a store that gives a $2 discount to white people.
People complain and now the whites have to pay the same price as blacks.
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Re: Store Won't Take Returns From Lakewood, Brooklyn, Monsey, Monroe or Passaic
« Reply #377 on: February 16, 2017, 02:54:20 PM »
some posters here sound pretty mean and unfair. some moser (i hate using that term) went to the DA because they had nothing better to do in their lives but attack a small business (im sure that same guy believes that he shouldnt have to sell a cake for a homosexual marriage, but does not concern himself with his internal contradictions).
they gave their info to the NJ DA, wasting days of their lives sorting into nice excel files all the info showing the huge disparity in returns as the reason for the difference in treatment. they never wanted to make a chillul hashem, the jerks who posted and made it big and went to the DA etc were the ones who caused a chillul hashem. and the DA had no logical argument just a claim of disparate treatment without any insight that a court would hopefully strike down due to the clear basis for the different treatment. but the da has resources and they didnt want to pay more for lawyers, so now everyone suffers because now there are no cash returns anywhere.

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Re: Store Won't Take Returns From Lakewood, Brooklyn, Monsey, Monroe or Passaic
« Reply #378 on: February 16, 2017, 03:04:06 PM »
some posters here sound pretty mean and unfair. some moser (i hate using that term) went to the DA because they had nothing better to do in their lives but attack a small business (im sure that same guy believes that he shouldnt have to sell a cake for a homosexual marriage, but does not concern himself with his internal contradictions).
they gave their info to the NJ DA, wasting days of their lives sorting into nice excel files all the info showing the huge disparity in returns as the reason for the difference in treatment. they never wanted to make a chillul hashem, the jerks who posted and made it big and went to the DA etc were the ones who caused a chillul hashem. and the DA had no logical argument just a claim of disparate treatment without any insight that a court would hopefully strike down due to the clear basis for the different treatment. but the da has resources and they didnt want to pay more for lawyers, so now everyone suffers because now there are no cash returns anywhere.

Is that true or is the fact that it went on the news and was pretty widespread knowledge?

Edit: While I am not happy about the trouble they went through, they were publicly flouting the law, and stood by the policy when questioned by reporters . What did they really expect?
« Last Edit: February 16, 2017, 03:07:25 PM by yuneeq »
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Re: Store Won't Take Returns From Lakewood, Brooklyn, Monsey, Monroe or Passaic
« Reply #379 on: February 16, 2017, 04:25:54 PM »
Is that true or is the fact that it went on the news and was pretty widespread knowledge?

Edit: While I am not happy about the trouble they went through, they were publicly flouting the law, and stood by the policy when questioned by reporters . What did they really expect?
some posters here sound pretty mean and unfair. some moser (i hate using that term) went to the DA because they had nothing better to do in their lives but attack a small business (im sure that same guy believes that he shouldnt have to sell a cake for a homosexual marriage, but does not concern himself with his internal contradictions).
they gave their info to the NJ DA, wasting days of their lives sorting into nice excel files all the info showing the huge disparity in returns as the reason for the difference in treatment. they never wanted to make a chillul hashem, the jerks who posted and made it big and went to the DA etc were the ones who caused a chillul hashem. and the DA had no logical argument just a claim of disparate treatment without any insight that a court would hopefully strike down due to the clear basis for the different treatment. but the da has resources and they didnt want to pay more for lawyers, so now everyone suffers because now there are no cash returns anywhere.

sm knows a little bit about law