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Bogo walks in a room and announces that we're almost at the end, so double your money now* before it's too late! He claims there are people vouching for him, but they have never heard of him.
ExGingi talked to Bogo for a minute and let's everyone know that he knows what he's doing. Except maybe that was for another Bogo thing he's doing that may or may not MLM related. Or something like that.
Baruch won't stop calling Bogo a liar and ExGingi a fool and a liar. He's gone over to everyone and tells them this at least dozen times.
Freddie is in the back of the room just cooking his cholent. It's parve, exactly how ExGingi likes it. JJ didn't tell Freddie he was in the room as he doesn't like parve cholent or MLMs. This makes him a shvantz.
Dan is waiting for a juicy voicemail or at least an email to put in this thread. Dan loves Lakewood and was very impressed with it. Dan hates Lakewood and bashes at every opportunity {{Citation needed}}

JJ finally did teshuva. It remains to be seen if others mentioned on this thread will follow his lead.

*as long as you're from Lakewood.
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Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
« Reply #270 on: September 05, 2016, 11:01:21 AM »
If you have foolish opinions, you're probably a fool.
That doesn't make it okay to embarrass and insult someone.

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Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
« Reply #271 on: September 05, 2016, 11:02:30 AM »
Is the original loyalty program much different than Chessed Dollars and similar programs?
The basic concept is not but there are some key differences which ruin it. ZB with his attchment to MLMs needed to add an MLM aspect to this program. The tell for that is how he wrote this is not an MLM because... The MLM aspect of it is totally unnecessary to the primary concept and serves no purpose other than to make it confusing. Once there is confusion that is a big warning sign and also broadcasts loud and clear that if he learned any lesson from Ambit it is the wrong lesson. This is a person with extremely poor business sense and everyone should keep their money away from him.

The other key difference is that in this case money is being "kept" in separate individual accounts and would need to be tracked. Who will do that and be responsible for it? Chesed Dollars were a simply concept that the schools bought them from the organizer at a discount and sold them at full face value. Here there is too much tracking going on.
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Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
« Reply #272 on: September 05, 2016, 11:05:41 AM »
The basic concept is not but there are some key differences which ruin it. ZB with his attchment to MLMs needed to add an MLM aspect to this program. The tell for that is how he wrote this is not an MLM because... The MLM aspect of it is totally unnecessary to the primary concept and serves no purpose other than to make it confusing. Once there is confusion that is a big warning sign and also broadcasts loud and clear that if he learned any lesson from Ambit it is the wrong lesson. This is a person with extremely poor business sense and everyone should keep their money away from him.

The other key difference is that in this case money is being "kept" in separate individual accounts and would need to be tracked. Who will do that and be responsible for it? Chesed Dollars were a simply concept that the schools bought them from the organizer at a discount and sold them at full face value. Here there is too much tracking going on.
I wasn't talking about the matching part; I thought there was a discount program which preceded it.

And, FTR, once someone was involved in one scam, even if well meaning, I agree that it's best to stay away from future business endeavors with him.

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Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
« Reply #273 on: September 05, 2016, 11:06:01 AM »
That doesn't make it okay to embarrass and insult someone.
He was advocating for a dangerous scam. I embarrassed him and insulted him to shut him up. Everyone arguing the details with him, was giving him credibility, so I tried the shouting insults method (I learned it from Trump :) )
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Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
« Reply #274 on: September 05, 2016, 11:07:55 AM »
Can everyone grow up?
Okay. Now that e/o agrees not to invest in this.

I apologize to exgingi.

I honestly don't think he is a fool. (Which shows how dangerous scams are, they can suck in intelligent people).
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Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
« Reply #275 on: September 05, 2016, 11:08:08 AM »
He was advocating for a dangerous scam. I embarrassed him and insulted him to shut him up. Everyone arguing the details with him, was giving him credibility, so I tried the shouting insults method (I learned it from Trump :) )
The timeline doesn't seem to match...

Also, I didn't read his posts as advocacy as much as leaving the possibility open that it might be legitimate (which I agree never seemed likely).

Edit: nice job. Thank you.

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Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
« Reply #276 on: September 05, 2016, 11:08:51 AM »
There nothing innovative etc. about trying to swindle desperate people out of their money without providing any security. Anyone who defends that is at the minimum a fool.
Except that IIRC he NEVER defended the matching part only the loyalty program. Are you incapable of discriminating between the two? You may do well reading this thread after Freddie's comment.

Yes, discrimination is not inherently a bad thing. It's the first brocha you make each morning. You ask to have at least as much discrimination as a chicken. Look in your siddur (hanosein lasechvi l'HOVCHIN). What's wrong with havchona?


He was advocating for a dangerous scam. I embarrassed him and insulted him to shut him up. Everyone arguing the details with him, was giving him credibility, so I tried the shouting insults method (I learned it from Trump :) )
Except that he wasn't. He very clearly said that he was referring only to the loyalty aspect and knew nothing about the matching thing.

It would make sense for you to learn those things from Trump.
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Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
« Reply #277 on: September 05, 2016, 11:10:51 AM »
I wasn't talking about the matching part; I thought there was a discount program which preceded it.

And, FTR, once someone was involved in one scam, even if well meaning, I agree that it's best to stay away from future business endeavors with him.

Neither am I. The loyalty program itself has these issues. +1 on staying away from him. Never believe some that he learned his lesson. We see here that even if he learned a lesson it was the wrong one.
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Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
« Reply #278 on: September 05, 2016, 11:11:41 AM »
Except that IIRC he NEVER defended the matching part only the loyalty program. Are you incapable of discriminating between the two? You may do well reading this thread after Freddie's comment.
Except that he wasn't. He very clearly said that he was referring only to the loyalty aspect and knew nothing about the matching thing.

It would make sense for you to learn those things from Trump.
If you got nothing better to do with your time, read thru this thread slowly. You'll see that your wrong, he was responding to the tuition scam.

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=65888.msg1549793#msg1549793

I have no idea who Schiener is, but I did have a lengthy conversation with Zvi about this. It is a real concept, innovative, and while it is essentially a business concept, he's thinking outside the box and can potentially help lots of people pay their tuition bills (and help Moisdos struggling to cover their budget deficits).

Think about UR or MR style points that can be used to pay tuition, you can earn a lot of them but they expire fast if you don't use them.
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Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
« Reply #279 on: September 05, 2016, 11:13:24 AM »
If you got nothing better to do with your time, read thru this thread slowly. You'll see that your wrong, he was responding to the tuition scam.
Can you show me where he actually recommended it, rather than just saying to keep an open mind?

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Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
« Reply #280 on: September 05, 2016, 11:14:13 AM »
Somehow it's the same people as the Trumpkins that fall for the Trump scam.

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Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
« Reply #281 on: September 05, 2016, 11:15:24 AM »
Can you show me where he actually recommended it, rather than just saying to keep an open mind?
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Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
« Reply #282 on: September 05, 2016, 11:16:10 AM »
Enough! Can we move on in life?
I certainly hope so.

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Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
« Reply #283 on: September 05, 2016, 11:19:45 AM »
Enough! Can we move on in life?
yes. This is becoming silly. Sorry.  :)
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Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
« Reply #284 on: September 05, 2016, 11:25:15 AM »
Can everyone grow up?
It will come with age  ;)
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