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Bogo walks in a room and announces that we're almost at the end, so double your money now* before it's too late! He claims there are people vouching for him, but they have never heard of him.
ExGingi talked to Bogo for a minute and let's everyone know that he knows what he's doing. Except maybe that was for another Bogo thing he's doing that may or may not MLM related. Or something like that.
Baruch won't stop calling Bogo a liar and ExGingi a fool and a liar. He's gone over to everyone and tells them this at least dozen times.
Freddie is in the back of the room just cooking his cholent. It's parve, exactly how ExGingi likes it. JJ didn't tell Freddie he was in the room as he doesn't like parve cholent or MLMs. This makes him a shvantz.
Dan is waiting for a juicy voicemail or at least an email to put in this thread. Dan loves Lakewood and was very impressed with it. Dan hates Lakewood and bashes at every opportunity {{Citation needed}}

JJ finally did teshuva. It remains to be seen if others mentioned on this thread will follow his lead.

*as long as you're from Lakewood.
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Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #60 on: September 04, 2016, 12:52:07 AM »
im not trying to defend I'm just saying that no one here knows what this is about...may well be a scam but I haven't heard any first hand info as to what this is about..
Why doesn't anyone PUTPAC?
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #61 on: September 04, 2016, 12:55:15 AM »
Why doesn't anyone PUTPAC?
you said he has a close relationship with the cheder but supposedly rabbi Posen knows nothing about this?
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Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #62 on: September 04, 2016, 01:07:00 AM »
Where's the guy who always says: impossible.

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Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #63 on: September 04, 2016, 01:12:28 AM »
you said he has a close relationship with the cheder but supposedly rabbi Posen knows nothing about this?
Which is why I am saying PUTPAC. You heard a third or fourth hand account that Rabbi Posen doesn't know. Why not get a first hand answer?

As I said, I don't know what this is all about (and I won't speculate). I do know what the BOGO loyalty concept is. I sincerely hope that whatever this specific campaign is about is actually מיט הענט און פיס or else he might be hurting the BOGO loyalty concept.
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Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #64 on: September 04, 2016, 01:20:47 AM »
Isn't he the guy that intruduced Ambit to all the yeshivas in Lakewood a few years ago?

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Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #65 on: September 04, 2016, 01:23:58 AM »
This isn't some rewards program combining Viridian, Ambit, Lyoness, Plenti ect? Where he will take your money and invest it, and "hopefully" make enough money to be able to "maybe" pay back double for your tuition?

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Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #66 on: September 04, 2016, 01:41:45 AM »
Anyone else think this thing sounds like a massive scam?
Which publication was this in, and page number?
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Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #67 on: September 04, 2016, 01:54:53 AM »
Which publication was this in, and page number?
I saw it in the shopper. Don't recall the page #

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Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #68 on: September 04, 2016, 09:26:50 AM »
Isn't he the guy that intruduced Ambit to all the yeshivas in Lakewood a few years ago?
Yes and then everyone got screwed by ambit surge pricing.
I just spoke to the guy who asked Rabbi Posen, and he said Rabbi Posen didn't want to talk about it and just said I don't know
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #69 on: September 04, 2016, 09:51:53 AM »
The cheder just sent out a message that they have nothing to do with this bogo.

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Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #70 on: September 04, 2016, 09:52:04 AM »
Quick only in 10 minutes we could get screwed by a con man...who's in???
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Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #71 on: September 04, 2016, 10:14:01 AM »
Quick only in 10 minutes we could get screwed by a con man...who's in???
Hand me the money and I'll triple it. And it's tax deductible.

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Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #72 on: September 04, 2016, 10:19:04 AM »
Hand me the money and I'll triple it. And it's tax deductible.
are you "close with the Cheder"
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Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #73 on: September 04, 2016, 10:25:26 AM »
Bogo Tuition Fund

We will match your tuition donation, up to a total of $10,000 per family.

Please specify the name of your child and the school that he is attending, in order for us to properly credit it to your child's tuition.

You can give towards multiple schools, as long as the total does not exceed $10,000

Please note, that per IRS rules, these payments are NOT tax deductible.

FUNDRAISER UPDATES 2
Posted on September 4, 2016 by Zvi Bogomilsky
1. Ateres Batsheva High School
2. Ateres  Tzipora
3. Ateres Yisroel High School
4. Bais Faiga
5. Bais Kala
6. Bais Leah High School
7. Bas Medrash Torah Cheder
8. Bais Reuven Kaminetz
9. Bais Rivka Rochel
10. Bas Rochel
11. Bais Shaindel
12. Bais Tova
13. Bais Yaakov Hayashon
14. Bais Yaakov High School of Lakewood
15. Bais Yaakov of Monmouth County
16. Bais Yaakov Ohel Esther
17. Bais Yisroel Girls School
18. Bas Yaakov of Jersey Shore
19. Beth Medrash Govoha (BMG)
20. Bnos Bais Yaakov High School
21. Bnos Bina
22. Bnos Brocha
23. Bnos Chaim Seminary
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26. Bnos Esther Malka
27. Bnos Melech
28. Bnos Orchos Chaim
29. Bno Penina
30. Bnos Tzipa
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32. Bnot Yisrael Elementary School
33. Cheder Bnei Torah
34. Cheder Toras Zev
35. Chein Bais Yaakov
36. Chinuch L'Banos
37. Hillel Academy
38. ILAN High School
39. Kesser Bais Yaakov
40. Lakewood Cheder School (or)
Lakewood Cheder
41. Lakewood Teachers Seminary
42. Machon L'Torah U'Lehora'ah
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44. Mekor Hachinuch
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51. Mesivta Ohr Chaim Meir
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60. Schools for Children With Hidden Int.
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Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #74 on: September 04, 2016, 10:25:56 AM »
He copy pasted a list of all LKWD schools. Already scammed people out of 60k....

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Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #75 on: September 04, 2016, 10:26:34 AM »
Looks like the scam is going strong! Over 60k raised already.

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Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #76 on: September 04, 2016, 10:28:11 AM »
It's a shame that with the instant power of the internet, there's no way to easily inform the masses to stay away...

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Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #77 on: September 04, 2016, 10:37:43 AM »
Maybe sponsor a small amount and in the comments write that it's a scam

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Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #78 on: September 04, 2016, 10:37:51 AM »
mendy from lakewood's tag line is very appropriate in this case.

It seems to me that Z.B. might be shooting himself in the foot, if indeed this wasn't coordinated with the schools. His BOGO loyalty (patent pending!) idea has merit, but if he was planning to launch it on a trial basis in Lakewood, and gets the word out with what might be a questionable campaign, what are his chances for buy-in for the actual program (though in that there's really nothing to be lost by consumers).

As for Ambit, by his admission he did introduce and promote it in Lakewood. I don't think anything was done with malice. Anyone that understand how markets and math works, should have seen that something had to explode there. He claims to have learned his lesson from that and came up with an idea that IMHO does have merit (I never said that about Ambit, and I actually think there are strong reasons why retail energy SHOULD be regulated).

However, even the best most legitimate business concept could fail. I hope he does succeed (he is a Yid and definitely has good intentions) though as said above, if he gets introduced to the community through what looks like a half baked good idea, he might simply be shooting himself in the leg.
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Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
« Reply #79 on: September 04, 2016, 10:41:45 AM »
Gingi advised to try calling the schools and calling BOGO.

1) The schools never heard of this
2) No one picks up the phone at the phone number in the ad (edit - someone in a call center finally picked up and gave canned answers that just repeated the ad. When I asked anything remotely different than what was in the ad she said she's not able to answer that (but said she'll have someone call me back)
3) I send a message last night with some questions and got no response.

At this point, I am reporting them to youcaring. If you go here https://www.youcaring.com/familes-struggling-to-pay-tuition-631784 under about the organizer there's an option to 'Report fundraiser'. If enough people report him maybe they will shut it down.