Charter JFK-TLV for Sukkos $999

[hvaces42]

I flew to Lizhensk with them a few years ago. They had Continental regular flight EWR-MAN and then a charter MAN-RZE. I didnt do the return but they were very not nice to some people (women only) who were flown to MAN and dropped off there having their return tickets from LHR and left with no way to do that portion of the trip. Do All is legit i think they got scammed by the charter Company but i wouldnt put it past them to mess up something simple either.

[ad120]

The ליזענסק flight is the regular JFK to WAW flight. The agency books the entire flight a year in advance. Apparently they see it more profitable to book the entire flight rather than charter a flight.
IIRC, Do All isn't the agency that does this though.

[sillypainter]

My hunch and again this is what I feel. They had to come up with the money and they just couldn't do it. No company scams you. You think DoAll is stupid and they just Google a company's name and found some scammer in Nigeria, don't think so. They thought they'll sell more premium space, couldn't do it,  were left with 100-200K loss, so they couldn't do it. Can you imagine how expensive this is. It's a 747 sitting idle for an entire week or going back empty and picking them up again after RH, this ain't costs 500K which is 500 X $999 they sold tickets for. This is at least a 800k-1 million Shmiel and they just COULDN'T do it. So it was canceled.

Again pure speculation...But I usually trust my gut feeling.

[Dan]

The ליזענסק flight is the regular JFK to WAW flight. The agency books the entire flight a year in advance. Apparently they see it more profitable to book the entire flight rather than charter a flight.
IIRC, Do All isn't the agency that does this though.

They actually book the entire flight or they book a block of seats?

[sillypainter]

They actually book the entire flight or they book a block of seats?

They reserve the entire flight. Actually,  thus year there were a few goyim on the way back, not sure what happened,  but I know there was chaos because they internally gave out seats ignoring the boarding pass, and the goyim having a legit boarding pass were sitting on some internally assigned seats...it was Tom Tov there.  Thdy didn't want to sit down, they pushed back with people standing, they didn't have a choice....

[Dan]

My hunch and again this is what I feel. They had to come up with the money and they just couldn't do it. No company scams you. You think DoAll is stupid and they just Google a company's name and found some scammer in Nigeria, don't think so. They thought they'll sell more premium space, couldn't do it,  were left with 100-200K loss, so they couldn't do it. Can you imagine how expensive this is. It's a 747 sitting idle for an entire week or going back empty and picking them up again after RH, this ain't costs 500K which is 500 X $999 they sold tickets for. This is at least a 800k-1 million Shmiel and they just COULDN'T do it. So it was canceled.

Again pure speculation...But I usually trust my gut feeling.

I know back in 2001 I wanted to charter a 737 from LAX-JFK-LAX and it was something like $150,000 RT.

Instead I got a block of a couple hundred seats from B6 and DL for $190 each with every 40th seat free. Great MS method

[Dan]

They reserve the entire flight. Actually,  thus year there were a few goyim on the way back, not sure what happened,  but I know there was chaos because they internally gave out seats ignoring the boarding pass, and the goyim having a legit boarding pass were sitting on some internally assigned seats...it was Tom Tov there.  Thdy didn't want to sit down, they pushed back with people standing, they didn't have a choice....

Doesn't sound like they managed to reserve the entire flight.
Either way, yes, that's cheaper than a charter.

[sillypainter]

Doesn't sound like they managed to reserve the entire flight.
Either way, yes, that's cheaper than a charter.

Especially LOT which has one of the lowest TATL retail prices. No biggie to do, just need to put down a big down payment I assume. And LOT has some free cash flow :-)

[David Smith]

I know back in 2001 I wanted to charter a 737 from LAX-JFK-LAX and it was something like $150,000 RT.

Instead I got a block of a couple hundred seats from B6 and DL for $190 each with every 40th seat free. Great MS method

Numbers I've heard for this were like 425k, which doesn't explain how to justify 1k tickets and make a profit.

[sillypainter]

I know back in 2001 I wanted to charter a 737 from LAX-JFK-LAX and it was something like $150,000 RT.

Instead I got a block of a couple hundred seats from B6 and DL for $190 each with every 40th seat free. Great MS method

And that was in 2001, gas was $1/gallon at that time. I think that this shpiel (same for TLV) has a $1M price tag.

[TimT]

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general-news/469617/another-flight-heading-to-uman-from-nyc-cancelled-lufthansa-flight-clips-wings-as-it-leaves-terminal.html

[sillypainter]

I just Googled the size of a 747 gas tank.

48,445 gallons!

$100K just to fill it up....

[chff]

The ליזענסק flight is the regular JFK to WAW flight. The agency books the entire flight a year in advance. Apparently they see it more profitable to book the entire flight rather than charter a flight.
IIRC, Do All isn't the agency that does this though.

Do all had it this past year and two year before. 2015 it was shared between Main Street and Reichberg

My hunch and again this is what I feel. They had to come up with the money and they just couldn't do it. No company scams you. You think DoAll is stupid and they just Google a company's name and found some scammer in Nigeria, don't think so. They thought they'll sell more premium space, couldn't do it,  were left with 100-200K loss, so they couldn't do it. Can you imagine how expensive this is. It's a 747 sitting idle for an entire week or going back empty and picking them up again after RH, this ain't costs 500K which is 500 X $999 they sold tickets for. This is at least a 800k-1 million Shmiel and they just COULDN'T do it. So it was canceled.

Again pure speculation...But I usually trust my gut feeling.

They seriously screwed up here, I told a few people last week that this is going to end up bad

They actually book the entire flight or they book a block of seats?

The entire flight

Doesn't sound like they managed to reserve the entire flight.
Either way, yes, that's cheaper than a charter.

Yes they could, I even know of a case where LOT canceled someone's ticket that made a reservation before DoAll took it over

[Dan]

LH flies from JFK to Uman, who knew?

[chff]

Take a look at the Lisensk flight for the upcoming year

Code: [Select]

>an17marjfkwaw/alo
AN17MARJFKWAW/ALO                                                               
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AN ** WAW WARSAW.PL                169 FR 17MAR 0000 
 1   LO 027  C9 D9 Z8 P9 A9 R9 J2 /JFK 7 WAW   1130P   1245P+1E0/788       8:15
             Y9 B9 M9 E9 H9 K9 Q9 G9 T9 S9 V9 W9 L9 U9                         
>mn
AN18MARJFKWAW/ALO -MN-                                                         
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AN ** WAW WARSAW.PL                170 SA 18MAR 0000 
 1   LO 027  CL DL PL AL JL GL    /JFK 7 WAW   1130P   1245P+1E0/788       8:15
>mn
AN19MARJFKWAW/ALO -MN-                                                         
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AN ** WAW WARSAW.PL                171 SU 19MAR 0000 
 1   LO 027  C9 D9 Z7 P9 A9 R9 J2 /JFK 7 WAW   1135P   1250P+1E0/788       8:15
             Y9 B9 M9 E9 H9 K9 Q9 G9 T9 S9 V9 W9 L9 U9 O1                       
>an18marwawjfk/alo
AN18MARWAWJFK/ALO                                                               
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AN ** JFK JOHN F KENNEDY.USNY      169 SA 18MAR 0000 
 1   LO 026  C9 D9 Z8 P9 A9 R9 J2 /WAW   JFK 7  505P    940P  E0/788       9:35
             Y9 B9 M9 E9 H9 K9 Q9 G9 T9 S9 V9 W9 L9 U9 O2                       
>mn
AN19MARWAWJFK/ALO -MN-                                                         
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AN ** JFK JOHN F KENNEDY.USNY      170 SU 19MAR 0000 
 1   LO 026  C9 D9 Z8 P9 A9 R9 J2 /WAW   JFK 7  515P    950P  E0/788       9:35
             GL                                                                 
>mn
AN20MARWAWJFK/ALO -MN-                                                         
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AN ** JFK JOHN F KENNEDY.USNY      171 MO 20MAR 0000 
 1   LO 026  CL DL PL AL JL GL    /WAW   JFK 7  505P    940P  E0/788       9:35


[Something Fishy]

I flew Reichberg in 2007, he bought out an entire LOT 767 EWR-KRK///WAW-JFK.

[chff]

And for all those who say Ukraine Airlines had the permit canceled or Maintenance didn't pass, if the people who book got an itinerary with the exact timings, seat number, ticket number etc, and were told which airline it will be operated and then tell them there was an issue, then its one thing, but just being told "be at Kennedy at 12am" then its seems they had no plane to begin with

[Ergel]

Give me a break. Why would they have no plane.
The number of people here gloating that they were correct or casting aspersions on a reputable company who seem to just have made a mistake is sickening

[Alexsei]

LH flies from JFK to Uman, who knew?

There's an airport in Uman who knew?

[chff]

a reputable company

a reputable company should have send everyone info, and not "wait at the airport"