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Triangle k with grape juice concentrate ingredient
« on: September 12, 2016, 10:39:18 PM »
Is triangle k kosher on Minute Maid
I see grape juice from concentrate in the ingredients ?
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Re: Triangle k with grape juice concentrate ingredient
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2016, 10:55:08 PM »
Is triangle k kosher on Minute Maid
I see grape juice from concentrate in the ingredients ?

Like everything, it depends on whom you ask.  Nobody will say that Triangle K is not kosher.  Some will say that it's not lechatichila as he doesn't adopt all of the stringencies that have become fashionable.  Best to ask a halachic authority that you trust for his/her opinion.


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Re: Triangle k with grape juice concentrate ingredient
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2016, 11:02:05 PM »
Like everything, it depends on whom you ask.  Nobody will say that Triangle K is not kosher.  Some will say that it's not lechatichila as he doesn't adopt all of the stringencies that have become fashionable.  Best to ask a halachic authority that you trust for his/her opinion.
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Re: Triangle k with grape juice concentrate ingredient
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2016, 11:04:15 PM »
Nobody will say that Triangle K is not kosher.  Some will say that it's not lechatichila as he doesn't adopt all of the stringencies that have become fashionable.
But there is no option that perhaps it is not lechatchila due to some real reason, right? Because anyone who is not matir anything that is not "chazer treif" is just being "fashionable".

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Re: Triangle k with grape juice concentrate ingredient
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2016, 11:06:37 PM »
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Re: Triangle k with grape juice concentrate ingredient
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2016, 11:07:25 PM »
Like everything, it depends on whom you ask.  Nobody will say that Triangle K is not kosher.  Some will say that it's not lechatichila as he doesn't adopt all of the stringencies that have become fashionable.  Best to ask a halachic authority that you trust for his/her opinion.
Idk about this particular product or hechsher, but when dealing with grapes the hechsherim are much more stringent due to yayin nesech, not fashion...

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Re: Triangle k with grape juice concentrate ingredient
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2016, 11:09:10 PM »
But there is no option that perhaps it is not lechatchila due to some real reason, right? Because anyone who is not matir anything that is not "chazer treif" is just being "fashionable".

It's possible, but I haven't heard it.  What I've heard is exactly what I said, that he's universally accepted as a talmid chacham and the food is technically kosher but he relies on some kulos and doesn't apply some chumras that have been accepted by the olam.

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Re: Triangle k with grape juice concentrate ingredient
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2016, 11:10:00 PM »
Is triangle k kosher on Minute Maid
I see grape juice from concentrate in the ingredients ?
Deals/deal requests? Shouldn't this be in GD or something? Maybe the halacha thread? Or kashrus thread?

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Re: Triangle k with grape juice concentrate ingredient
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2016, 11:18:34 PM »
Idk about this particular product or hechsher, but when dealing with grapes the hechsherim are much more stringent due to yayin nesech, not fashion...

Unlikely that the minute made grape juice is yayin nesech (di'oraysa), if anything it's stam yaynom (dirabonon).

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Re: Triangle k with grape juice concentrate ingredient
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2016, 11:21:41 PM »
It's possible, but I haven't heard it.  What I've heard is exactly what I said, that he's universally accepted as a talmid chacham and the food is technically kosher but he relies on some kulos and doesn't apply some chumras that have been accepted by the olam.

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Re: Triangle k with grape juice concentrate ingredient
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2016, 11:27:55 PM »
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My understanding is that there are some potential issues with triangle-k juice due to certain leniencies he has regarding the pasteurization process which other do not agree with.
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Re: Triangle k with grape juice concentrate ingredient
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2016, 11:28:02 PM »
Unlikely that the minute made grape juice is yayin nesech (di'oraysa), if anything it's stam yaynom (dirabonon).

still assur

without really knowing OP it's hard to answer his question but most mainstream OJ organizations do not hold of triangle k

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Re: Triangle k with grape juice concentrate ingredient
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2016, 11:29:51 PM »
My understanding is that there are some potential issues with triangle-k juice due to certain leniencies he has regarding the pasteurization process which other do not agree with.

I believe he doesn't require it to be heated to 190º that everyone else does

still assur

without really knowing OP it's hard to answer his question but all mainstream OJ organizations do not hold of triangle k

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Re: Triangle k with grape juice concentrate ingredient
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2016, 11:44:15 PM »
Unlikely that the minute made grape juice is yayin nesech (di'oraysa), if anything it's stam yaynom (dirabonon).
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Re: Triangle k with grape juice concentrate ingredient
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2016, 11:46:08 PM »
My knowledge is a little outdated by now but I know from mashgichim who worked for triangle -k that the standards are a joke. I would view it the same as no hechsher.

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Re: Triangle k with grape juice concentrate ingredient
« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2016, 12:04:37 AM »
My knowledge is a little outdated by now but I know from mashgichim who worked for triangle -k that the standards are a joke. I would view it the same as no hechsher.
+1 especially when it comes to meat, there are serious Shailos about Traif there

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Re: Triangle k with grape juice concentrate ingredient
« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2016, 12:06:27 AM »
+1 especially when it comes to meat, there are serious Shailos about Traif there
do they give hechsher on meat products? never saw. and i never knew this about triangle k either. i lumped it together with star k.  :-\
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Re: Triangle k with grape juice concentrate ingredient
« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2016, 12:07:45 AM »
do they give hechsher on meat products? never saw. and i never knew this about triangle k either. i lumped it together with star k.  :-\
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Re: Triangle k with grape juice concentrate ingredient
« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2016, 12:10:50 AM »
Wow terrible how you can't rely on a hasgacha for all products
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