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Re: Public letter
« Reply #80 on: September 27, 2016, 01:12:33 AM »
Maybe I missed something. What did he turn his kid into?
If your 6 year old son wants to play dressup in a princess dress, would you:
A. Chalk it up to kids being silly.
B. Tell him that boys shouldn't wear dresses.
C. Talk to him about transgender concepts.
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Re: Public letter
« Reply #81 on: September 27, 2016, 01:13:46 AM »
If your 6 year old son wants to play dressup in a princess dress, would you:
A. Chalk it up to kids being silly.
B. Tell him that boys shouldn't wear dresses.
C. Talk to him about transgender concepts.
A?
The boy is 6 years old?
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Re: Public letter
« Reply #82 on: September 27, 2016, 06:23:30 AM »
A?
The boy is 6 years old?
+1
Though I'm taking that Dan is implying the kid was led there. That may be true. I have no idea who this guy is or his kid and how old they are. I do remember watching a Barbara Walters special on this year's ago and thinking it may not be so simple. You can not lead a kid but it seems to me some of these kids have real confusion (I don't know if that's the right word) regardless if you push them or not.

But I agree to some extent with this concept that if the option exists you may have kids choosing a path they wouldn't normally "need".

And yes, I feel worse for the kid.

It is a crazy world we live in. 

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Re: Public letter
« Reply #83 on: September 27, 2016, 06:45:26 AM »
Though I'm taking that Dan is implying the kid was led there.
I sure hope not but he can speak for himself. Why would any parent lead their child to be transgender?
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Re: Public letter
« Reply #84 on: September 27, 2016, 06:53:38 AM »
Guys, Bottom line.
We Must respect one another. No Exceptions
There is a world of a difference between respect and condone. Allowing a child whose practices are an antithesis to what you are teaching in the school regarding halacha and tznius and "accommodating " them is condoning.
Why is it understood that a Jewish school doesn't have to accommodate a Christian child by admitting them and allowing them to openly practice their religion, but somehow accommodating transgender individuals is required?

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Re: Public letter
« Reply #85 on: September 27, 2016, 07:03:01 AM »


There is a world of a difference between respect and condone.

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Re: Public letter
« Reply #86 on: September 27, 2016, 07:06:13 AM »
Why is it understood that a Jewish school doesn't have to accommodate a Christian child by admitting them and allowing them to openly practice their religion, but somehow accommodating transgender individuals is required?
Should a Jewish school be allowed to turn a away a child just because he is Christian?
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Re: Public letter
« Reply #87 on: September 27, 2016, 07:34:02 AM »
Should a Jewish school be allowed to turn a away a child just because he is Christian?
I actually was quite careful not to say that. I said "openly practice their religion"

The issue is not a closet transgender child. If you look at OP, it was advocating public accommodation. Which, IMHO, equals condoning.

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Re: Public letter
« Reply #88 on: September 27, 2016, 07:55:13 AM »
I actually was quite careful not to say that. I said "openly practice their religion"
It wasn't a trick question. The reason I asked because there a lot of non-Catholics that go to a Catholic school.
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Re: Public letter
« Reply #89 on: September 27, 2016, 08:10:18 AM »
It wasn't a trick question. The reason I asked because there a lot of non-Catholics that go to a Catholic school.
and if a Protestant child would go around taking down every picture or icon that's on the wall I'm sure the school would be justified in expelling him.
I also would expect that no court would require the Catholic School to make reasonable accommodations for the Protestant Child by taking down every offending picture on the wall and requiring them to teach to pray in English not Latin

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Re: Public letter
« Reply #90 on: September 27, 2016, 08:58:02 AM »
It wasn't a trick question. The reason I asked because there a lot of non-Catholics that go to a Catholic school.

As long as the school doesn't accept federal funding, they are within their rights to deny enrollment to someone of a different religion, IINM.

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Re: Public letter
« Reply #91 on: September 27, 2016, 09:04:47 AM »
It wasn't a trick question. The reason I asked because there a lot of non-Catholics that go to a Catholic school.
That is to be expected considering that they would love to make them Catholics
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Re: Public letter
« Reply #92 on: September 27, 2016, 12:09:12 PM »
He turned his kid into that. Feel bad for the kid, not him.
Where are you taking this from?

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Re: Public letter
« Reply #93 on: October 06, 2016, 01:32:26 AM »
Ever since transgenderism became an issue, I feel like this story was some kind of nevuah...

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Re: Public letter
« Reply #94 on: October 06, 2016, 07:38:37 AM »
Ever since transgenderism became an issue, I feel like this story was some kind of nevuah...
How does that apply to the transgender issue?

I suppose we can convince the transgender female that he's really a transgender male.
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: Public letter
« Reply #95 on: October 06, 2016, 09:38:05 AM »
How does that apply to the transgender issue?

I suppose we can convince the transgender female that he's really a transgender male.
just that the next stage is people deciding they are chickens

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Re: Public letter
« Reply #97 on: October 06, 2016, 10:24:24 AM »
just that the next stage is people deciding they are chickens
But they are.....
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Re: Public letter
« Reply #98 on: October 06, 2016, 11:44:19 AM »
I have a disorder where I feel like I am a davar yesh bifnei atzmo while in truth I am really ayin v'efes mamash. It causes me a lot of distress and I have been trying to transition to my real identity.

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Re: Public letter
« Reply #99 on: October 06, 2016, 11:50:56 AM »
I have a disorder where I feel like I am a davar yesh bifnei atzmo while in truth I am really ayin v'efes mamash. It causes me a lot of distress and I have been trying to transition to my real identity.
Is that why your new signature is a ghost? Since those are Ayin V'Efes Mamash?
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