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Re: Shabbat and my United Flight
« Reply #60 on: October 31, 2016, 02:30:51 PM »
Maybe its because of the many stories that come out of how very frum people are obnoxious themselves

Even if all those stories were true, and the frum people in the stories were 100% at fault (a premise I don't buy), how does that justify being obnoxious to any other frum person? Or for that matter to that same frum person at a different (or even the same) time?

Using such claims as justification, just shows a lack of comprehension of what it means to be in a service business. I think the overall Israeli mentality is one of arrogance, which results in a much lower awareness of what service is about, and it is exacerbated when it comes to frum people.

Just go back several posts and contrast my BA experience with my ELAL experience.

I will take that contrast a step further. I was once booked to go with DW out of TLV on BA. I specifically requested aisle seats across from each other, and was promised that that is what was assigned. Upon boarding, we realized that despite what we requested and were promised, we were assigned adjacent seats. I was (seemingly) obnoxious and refused to be seated that way. The flight attendants had threatened to remove us from the flight, which we said we would do, but they were not one bit obnoxious about it. Eventually someone realized what was going on and agreed to switch seats, and the flight left on time.
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Re: Shabbat and my United Flight
« Reply #61 on: October 31, 2016, 02:34:50 PM »
Even if all those stories were true, and the frum people in the stories were 100% at fault (a premise I don't buy), how does that justify being obnoxious to any other frum person? Or for that matter to that same frum person at a different (or even the same) time?

Using such claims as justification, just shows a lack of comprehension of what it means to be in a service business. I think the overall Israeli mentality is one of arrogance, which results in a much lower awareness of what service is about, and it is exacerbated when it comes to frum people.

Just go back several posts and contrast my BA experience with my ELAL experience.

I will take that contrast a step further. I was once booked to go with DW out of TLV on BA. I specifically requested aisle seats across from each other, and was promised that that is what was assigned. Upon boarding, we realized that despite what we requested and were promised, we were assigned adjacent seats. I was (seemingly) obnoxious and refused to be seated that way. The flight attendants had threatened to remove us from the flight, which we said we would do, but they were not one bit obnoxious about it. Eventually someone realized what was going on and agreed to switch seats, and the flight left on time.
I never said it was justified

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Re: Shabbat and my United Flight
« Reply #62 on: October 31, 2016, 02:37:57 PM »
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Re: Shabbat and my United Flight
« Reply #63 on: October 31, 2016, 11:17:47 PM »
I will take that contrast a step further. I was once booked to go with DW out of TLV on BA. I specifically requested aisle seats across from each other, and was promised that that is what was assigned. Upon boarding, we realized that despite what we requested and were promised, we were assigned adjacent seats. I was (seemingly) obnoxious and refused to be seated that way. The flight attendants had threatened to remove us from the flight, which we said we would do, but they were not one bit obnoxious about it. Eventually someone realized what was going on and agreed to switch seats, and the flight left on time.

Your behavior wasn't "seemingly" obnoxious; it was obnoxious.

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Re: Shabbat and my United Flight
« Reply #64 on: October 31, 2016, 11:30:42 PM »
Your behavior wasn't "seemingly" obnoxious; it was obnoxious.
So did some other frum people think at the time, until someone a little more mature realized that there must have been a real reason for my insistence.
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Re: Shabbat and my United Flight
« Reply #65 on: October 31, 2016, 11:32:36 PM »
Which was?

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Re: Shabbat and my United Flight
« Reply #66 on: October 31, 2016, 11:39:41 PM »
He doesn't needa answer that.

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Re: Shabbat and my United Flight
« Reply #67 on: October 31, 2016, 11:48:18 PM »
We're talking about sitting on an airplane here. How private could the rationale have been? What explains two people being able to sit in aisle seats but not one person in an aisle and another in a non-aisle? Obesity? Broken legs?

I've heard of people insisting on sitting next to their spouse, but never someone insisting on *not* sitting next to their spouse.

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Re: Shabbat and my United Flight
« Reply #68 on: October 31, 2016, 11:50:10 PM »
We're talking about sitting on an airplane here. How private could the rationale have been? What explains two people being able to sit in aisle seats but not one person in an aisle and another in a non-aisle? Obesity? Broken legs?

I've heard of people insisting on sitting next to their spouse, but never someone insisting on *not* sitting next to their spouse.
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Re: Shabbat and my United Flight
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Re: Shabbat and my United Flight
« Reply #70 on: October 31, 2016, 11:55:37 PM »
He doesn't needa answer that.
Was that spelling on purpose?  ;D I love the lines where everyone understands it but you could say you never meant it... sort of like a politician...

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Re: Shabbat and my United Flight
« Reply #71 on: October 31, 2016, 11:59:00 PM »
Ah, just read up on Niddah.

Yikes. Almost enough to make one join the alt-right.

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Re: Shabbat and my United Flight
« Reply #72 on: October 31, 2016, 11:59:47 PM »
We're talking about sitting on an airplane here.
I've heard of people insisting on sitting next to their spouse, but never someone insisting on *not* sitting next to their spouse.
You are probably not married.
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Re: Shabbat and my United Flight
« Reply #73 on: November 01, 2016, 12:01:28 AM »
You are probably not married.
Or(hopefully) not jewish

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Re: Shabbat and my United Flight
« Reply #74 on: November 01, 2016, 12:02:34 AM »
I thought it's muttar to sit next to your wife on a plane regardless??  That's what I was always taught...