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Re: Shabbat and my United Flight
« Reply #200 on: November 02, 2016, 02:18:31 AM »
If this guy checked bags and didn't already have his preferred seat assignments, then yes, this guy is already a jerk simply for making the threat, since he knows the plane's departure would be delayed if he follows through on the threat not to board and/or to deplane.

If the guy didn't check bags, then deplaning isn't a big deal at all.
What should he do? If the gate agent wouldnt confirm it, he'll tell them before he gets on the plane to remove his luggage. What's the difference?
And once again I think you missed the point, the guy isn't threatening anyone. He truly would get off the plane. He won't fly without those conditions
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Re: Shabbat and my United Flight
« Reply #201 on: November 02, 2016, 02:21:34 AM »
What should he do? If the gate agent wouldnt confirm it, he'll tell them before he gets on the plane to remove his luggage. What's the difference?

This is silly. Only a jerk would check bags, then wait until the gate agent shows up 45-60 minutes before the flight to threaten not to board unless his seats are changed. Why not inquire before checking the bags?

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Re: Shabbat and my United Flight
« Reply #202 on: November 02, 2016, 02:22:28 AM »
And once again I think you missed the point, the guy isn't threatening anyone. He truly would get off the plane. He won't fly without those conditions

"Do what I want or I'll inconvenience you and 100-200 passengers" is a threat. You're getting sillier by the post.

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Re: Shabbat and my United Flight
« Reply #203 on: November 02, 2016, 02:22:42 AM »
This is silly. Only a jerk would check bags, then wait until the gate agent shows up 45-60 minutes before the flight to threaten not to board unless his seats are changed. Why not inquire before checking the bags?
It takes longer than 45 min to get a bag off a plane??

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Re: Shabbat and my United Flight
« Reply #204 on: November 02, 2016, 02:25:43 AM »
It takes longer than 45 min to get a bag off a plane??

It might, since the people tasked with loading bags would have to stop that process while finding the bag(s) to unload.

Regardless, why would someone check bags and wait for the gate agent when the agents at baggage check can look at the seating availability? What you're describing is a jerk move, through and through.

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Re: Shabbat and my United Flight
« Reply #205 on: November 02, 2016, 02:27:31 AM »
"Do what I want or I'll inconvenience you and 100-200 passengers" is a threat. You're getting sillier by the post.
When did anyone ever make that threat? (Aside from if promised by the gate agent)
Its not meant as a threat but rather, the gate agent misled us, now we would like to disembark. The rest of the aircraft may perceive it as a threat, and that's why they may be accommodating, but I believe I made it pretty clear that we are talking about someone who isn't threatening, but rather truly didn't have in mind to get on that plane if those conditions aren't met

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Re: Shabbat and my United Flight
« Reply #206 on: November 02, 2016, 02:29:01 AM »
It might, since the people tasked with loading bags would have to stop that process while finding the bag(s) to unload.

Regardless, why would someone check bags and wait for the gate agent when the agents at baggage check can look at the seating availability? What you're describing is a jerk move, through and through.
I don't think it takes longer than 45 minutes.

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Re: Shabbat and my United Flight
« Reply #207 on: November 02, 2016, 02:29:33 AM »
When did anyone ever make that threat? (Aside from if promised by the gate agent)
Its not meant as a threat but rather, the gate agent misled us, now we would like to disembark. The rest of the aircraft may perceive it as a threat, and that's why they may be accommodating, but I believe I made it pretty clear that we are talking about someone who isn't threatening, but rather truly didn't have in mind to get on that plane if those conditions aren't met

It's exactly what you described in #200.

No one, other than a jerk, checks bags but then proceeds to tell the gate agent that he won't actually be flying unless his preferred seating arrangement is arranged.

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Re: Shabbat and my United Flight
« Reply #208 on: November 02, 2016, 02:30:04 AM »
I don't think it takes longer than 45 minutes.

See #207.

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Re: Shabbat and my United Flight
« Reply #209 on: November 02, 2016, 02:32:24 AM »


See #207.



It's exactly what you described in #200.

I'm on tapatalk. So the post numbers are all messed up. U actually wrote post #200 by me, so please be more specific

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Re: Shabbat and my United Flight
« Reply #210 on: November 02, 2016, 02:34:28 AM »



I'm on tapatalk. So the post numbers are all messed up. U actually wrote post #200 by me, so please be more specific

As I said in #207: "No one, other than a jerk, checks bags but then proceeds to tell the gate agent that he won't actually be flying unless his preferred seating arrangement is arranged."

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Re: Shabbat and my United Flight
« Reply #211 on: November 02, 2016, 02:37:25 AM »
As I said in #207: "No one, other than a jerk, checks bags but then proceeds to tell the gate agent that he won't actually be flying unless his preferred seating arrangement is arranged."
What would you do if the check in desk can't help you? Let's say you had to take a flight, and you can't sit next to a specific person on that flight (be creative, you just broke up with them or something). You wouldn't check your bags if the checkin desk can't help you? But you need to take that flight...so you check your bags and speak to the gate agent...

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Re: Shabbat and my United Flight
« Reply #212 on: November 02, 2016, 02:41:10 AM »
What would you do if the check in desk can't help you? Let's say you had to take a flight, and you can't sit next to a specific person on that flight (be creative, you just broke up with them or something). You wouldn't check your bags if the checkin desk can't help you? But you need to take that flight...so you check your bags and speak to the gate agent...

LOL. You can't be serious.

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Re: Shabbat and my United Flight
« Reply #213 on: November 02, 2016, 02:43:38 AM »
LOL. You can't be serious.
Why not? If you can't be creative, I'll create a nice good story for you

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Re: Shabbat and my United Flight
« Reply #214 on: November 02, 2016, 02:45:55 AM »
Why not? If you can't be creative, I'll create a nice good story for you

Whatever story you come up with is a personal problem that shouldn't result in other passengers being inconvenienced in the slightest way.

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Re: Shabbat and my United Flight
« Reply #215 on: November 02, 2016, 02:47:26 AM »
Whatever story you come up with is a personal problem that shouldn't result in other passengers being inconvenienced in the slightest way.
And there we go again in circles. How you inconveniencing anyone? If the airline doesn't want to accommodate your request, then they'll give you your luggage back. That's as far as the inconvenience goes

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Re: Shabbat and my United Flight
« Reply #216 on: November 02, 2016, 02:48:20 AM »
45 minutes is plenty of time to get the suitcases of the plane

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Re: Shabbat and my United Flight
« Reply #217 on: November 02, 2016, 02:49:41 AM »


No one, other than a jerk, checks bags but then proceeds to tell the gate agent that he won't actually be flying unless his preferred seating arrangement is arranged.



other passengers being inconvenienced in the slightest way.


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Re: Shabbat and my United Flight
« Reply #218 on: November 02, 2016, 03:03:51 AM »
I have two questions.
1 - Why hasn't this been moved to JS?
2 - Do I have a nic I am not aware of?
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Re: Shabbat and my United Flight
« Reply #219 on: November 02, 2016, 01:05:37 PM »
Five seconds at Google:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-woman-united-airlines-changed-seat-because-gender/
IF (and that's a very big IF, as I will point out below) the story occurred AS ALLEGED (you only have one side, out of three parties - if you count the two Pakistanis as one, or four parties if you allow each one of them to have their own version), then I think all would agree that the gate agent was WAY out of line.

However, I tend to doubt the veracity of the story as presented.

You claim to fly a lot. Why don't you try the following experiment: every time you fly ask the gate agent if the person assigned the seat next to you is a male or female, and report back on how often you got them to give you that information. Then, if you get that information, claim some reason why you can't sit next to that person, and see what happens. Please report back with your findings.

I would venture to guess that if there is any truth to the story reported, the female passenger was probably asked if she would be willing to move, and probably agreed (though wasn't happy about it inside her). The other alternative might have been that she might have been involuntarily assigned an equivalent (as in same position, but in a better row) or even much better seat, so the gate agent felt that everyone could be made happy without any sacrifice.
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