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Re: Take Back Lakewood
« Reply #2220 on: June 27, 2017, 05:08:38 PM »
I have a feeling Lakewood Property Values are about to crash

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Re: Take Back Lakewood
« Reply #2221 on: June 27, 2017, 05:11:07 PM »
I have a feeling Lakewood Property Values are about to crash
Just a random feeling?
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Re: Take Back Lakewood
« Reply #2223 on: June 27, 2017, 06:36:17 PM »
Quote from NJ.com:

"The second wave is planned for as early as dawn Wednesday when authorities are scheduled to move in on three other couples, according to law enforcement sources. After that, warrants will be served to an unknown number of others by Friday and the investigation is continuing. And growing."

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Re: Take Back Lakewood
« Reply #2224 on: June 27, 2017, 07:02:59 PM »
Quote from NJ.com:

"The second wave is planned for as early as dawn Wednesday when authorities are scheduled to move in on three other couples, according to law enforcement sources. After that, warrants will be served to an unknown number of others by Friday and the investigation is continuing. And growing."

And you really think the FBI consults with Nj.com when to come?

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Re: Take Back Lakewood
« Reply #2225 on: June 27, 2017, 07:06:16 PM »
And you really think the FBI consults with Nj.com when to come?

Obviously the writer has a source in law enforcement.

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Re: Take Back Lakewood
« Reply #2226 on: June 27, 2017, 07:08:28 PM »
The whole thing leaves me with a sick feeling. There is no excuse for behavior that can lead to Chilul Hashem (though I'm sure much of it was out of desperation) and this is something that should not have been a surprise-many should have seen the handwriting on the wall long ago. However I do think that there is another component here. Not one that excuses bad behavior but nevertheless a factor in the hyper focus on the Jewish community. I'm sure it would come as no surprise to the law enforcement community that there are other ethnicities and minorities that are non Jewish that receive plenty of public benefits while engaged in illegal enterprises, selling drugs and weapons for cash and the like. As far as I know retailers don't sell $200 Air Jordan's for food stamps. But those groups public assistance is untouchable because there is a perception of poverty and it wouldn't make a compelling story and would raise a hue and cry from minority advocates.

Meanwhile, there's a perception that the Jews are all rolling in money ( unfortunately partially due to many of us ignoring the admonition of chazal "Lama  Tisro'u) so it's more palatable politically to go after them than other groups. The $450000 homes feed in to this narrative despite the fact that many living in such homes have large families and are truly struggling. I think it's outrageous that law enforcement is trying to paint a picture of an entire community that is rolling in it and padding their pockets with cash from programs when it's is a very very small minority who are really well off and taking programs.. Does not justify people abusing programs whatsoever even those who are struggling, but to think that stereotypes about frum Jews are not playing a role here is implausible.
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Re: Take Back Lakewood
« Reply #2227 on: June 27, 2017, 07:20:55 PM »
The whole thing leaves me with a sick feeling. There is no excuse for behavior that can lead to Chilul Hashem (though I'm sure much of it was out of desperation) and this is something that should not have been a surprise-many should have seen the handwriting on the wall long ago. However I do think that there is another component here. Not one that excuses bad behavior but nevertheless a factor in the hyper focus on the Jewish community. I'm sure it would come as no surprise to the law enforcement community that there are other ethnicities and minorities that are non Jewish that receive plenty of public benefits while engaged in illegal enterprises, selling drugs and weapons for cash and the like. As far as I know retailers don't sell $200 Air Jordan's for food stamps. But those groups public assistance is untouchable because there is a perception of poverty and it wouldn't make a compelling story and would raise a hue and cry from minority advocates.

Meanwhile, there's a perception that the Jews are all rolling in money ( unfortunately partially due to many of us ignoring the admonition of chazal "Lama  Tisro'u) so it's more palatable politically to go after them than other groups. The $450000 homes feed in to this narrative despite the fact that many living in such homes have large families and are truly struggling. Does not justify people abusing programs whatsoever but to think that stereotypes about frum Jews are not playing a role here is implausible.

I don't know if there is more of focus on frum yidden, but here is a press release from my area were they are prosecuting non-jews for much less severe cases of benefits fraud.

http://ulstercountyny.gov/news/executive-press-releases/county-executive-mike-hein-announces-two-welfare-fraud-arrests-2

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Re: Take Back Lakewood
« Reply #2228 on: June 27, 2017, 07:24:55 PM »
On an individual basis yes. But they are not targeting a specific community...

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Re: Take Back Lakewood
« Reply #2229 on: June 27, 2017, 07:31:11 PM »
Probably should move this conversation to http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=61462.400 before this thread gets totally off-topic

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Re: Take Back Lakewood
« Reply #2230 on: June 27, 2017, 07:31:27 PM »
The whole thing leaves me with a sick feeling. There is no excuse for behavior that can lead to Chilul Hashem (though I'm sure much of it was out of desperation) and this is something that should not have been a surprise-many should have seen the handwriting on the wall long ago.

-1000

How is it out of desperation when these people are making the kind of money claimed?  And the amount they accepted in benefits wasn't even that much.  It's much more of an entitlement mentality than desperation.

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Re: Take Back Lakewood
« Reply #2231 on: June 27, 2017, 07:58:52 PM »
And you really think the FBI consults with Nj.com when to come?
do you not know how news works?

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Re: Take Back Lakewood
« Reply #2232 on: June 27, 2017, 08:35:47 PM »
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How is it out of desperation when these people are making the kind of money claimed?  And the amount they accepted in benefits wasn't even that much.  It's much more of an entitlement mentality than desperation.
I absolutely agree with you however FWIU not all of them are making that kind of money and it seems they got caught in the middle.

I still believe  (and I hope I'm right) that they're not going after people who made an extra 10-20k annually, they're going after those who made an extra 10-20k+ monthly.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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« Reply #2233 on: June 27, 2017, 08:47:17 PM »
I absolutely agree with you however FWIU not all of them are making that kind of money and it seems they got caught in the middle.

I still believe  (and I hope I'm right) that they're not going after people who made an extra 10-20k annually, they're going after those who made an extra 10-20k+ monthly.
or if they hope to make them a witness
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Re: Take Back Lakewood
« Reply #2234 on: June 27, 2017, 08:50:22 PM »
-1000

How is it out of desperation when these people are making the kind of money claimed?  And the amount they accepted in benefits wasn't even that much.  It's much more of an entitlement mentality than desperation.

Was not referring to these people. Was referring to the insinuation that these people are representative of an entire community.
" it's outrageous that law enforcement is trying to paint a picture of an entire community that is rolling in it and padding their pockets with cash from programs when it's is a very very small minority who are really well off and taking programs"