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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #60 on: March 05, 2012, 01:51:09 PM »
in seriousness downloading songs is illegal. My CD is coming out soon. Dont steal my music, there is no excuse to do it and if you do it you are likely pasul for eidus and if you touch wine its yayin nesech.  The way to do teshuva is to buy it. http://www.torah.org/learning/honesty/class64.html .

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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #61 on: March 05, 2012, 02:00:41 PM »
To be clear I'm not advocating downloading music.
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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #62 on: March 05, 2012, 02:02:00 PM »
Im sorry, I meant the proverbial you for anyone that will listen

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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #63 on: March 05, 2012, 02:03:53 PM »
The way to do tshuva? Okay, will buy some although I don't need them.

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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #64 on: March 05, 2012, 02:10:13 PM »
in seriousness downloading songs is illegal. My CD is coming out soon. Dont steal my music, there is no excuse to do it and if you do it you are likely pasul for eidus and if you touch wine its yayin nesech.  The way to do teshuva is to buy it. http://www.torah.org/learning/honesty/class64.html .

Only if you would have bought it otherwise.

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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #65 on: March 05, 2012, 02:15:14 PM »
For the record... Downloading music is not against Halacha b/c according to Jewish law you don't own intellectual property.

Feel free to correct me but I did hear this from sources I consider reliable and I personally trust. I'm not saying I endorse downloading music or anything of the sort... All I'm saying is before you claim someone to be Posul Le'Adus please bring facts and sources....

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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #66 on: March 05, 2012, 02:19:34 PM »
There is an entire sefer (I don't remember the name) on this topic. I skimmed through it once and I remember him saying that Halachicaly it's muttar to download and that if artists want to protect their material they should include a text on the CD saying they are only 'leasing' the CD and not selling it in which case you are responsible to abide by the terms of the lease.

A few years ago several singers started putting that text on their albums (word for word from what was written in this sefer) but for some reason I haven't seen it recently.

It seems singers and poskim agree that it muttar to copy and thus feel a need to come up with a leasing agreement.
« Last Edit: March 05, 2012, 02:23:47 PM by MarkS »

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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #67 on: March 05, 2012, 02:28:49 PM »

Music is a labor of love to me it does not pay the bills as of yet. I hope that people hire me but I do other things as well. Now please bug your pathetic ass off me. OK.
Wow I just saw this. I have nothing against you personally I just had to correct a lie.
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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #68 on: March 05, 2012, 02:51:09 PM »
i have also heard that it is muttar to copy or download music and is not considered stealing

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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #69 on: March 05, 2012, 02:58:14 PM »
its different. the original artists arent losing money by shlock rock, mbd or weird al yankovic singing a different version. however, downloading illegally is causing a direct loss

Dan's point was that those artists are thieves themselves (they stole parts of the songs they sing) yet they tell you not to steal their music. Hypocrisy, no?

in seriousness downloading songs is illegal. My CD is coming out soon. Dont steal my music, there is no excuse to do it and if you do it you are likely pasul for eidus and if you touch wine its yayin nesech.  The way to do teshuva is to buy it. http://www.torah.org/learning/honesty/class64.html .

No offense, but your post is flamebait...

There is an entire sefer (I don't remember the name) on this topic. I skimmed through it once and I remember him saying that Halachicaly it's muttar to download and that if artists want to protect their material they should include a text on the CD saying they are only 'leasing' the CD and not selling it in which case you are responsible to abide by the terms of the lease.

A few years ago several singers started putting that text on their albums (word for word from what was written in this sefer) but for some reason I haven't seen it recently.

It seems singers and poskim agree that it muttar to copy and thus feel a need to come up with a leasing agreement.

IIRC some of the non-Jewish download (or maybe it was streaming) sites were putting in their T&Cs that you don't actually own the songs you purchase, you're just paying for the rights to use the music pursuant to their terms.
« Last Edit: March 05, 2012, 03:01:28 PM by AsherO »
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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #70 on: March 05, 2012, 03:03:00 PM »
i have also heard that it is muttar to copy or download music and is not considered stealing
I also heard that. And I personally download alot of music from one site that has almost every jewish cd that comes out.
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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #71 on: March 05, 2012, 03:42:50 PM »
I also heard that. And I personally download alot of music from one site that has almost every jewish cd that comes out.
Have you asked a shaila?

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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #72 on: March 05, 2012, 03:46:38 PM »
Have you asked a shaila?
I heard it straight out from a rabbi.
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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #73 on: March 05, 2012, 04:00:46 PM »

Music is a labor of love to me it does not pay the bills as of yet. I hope that people hire me but I do other things as well. Now please bug your pathetic ass off me. OK.

in seriousness downloading songs is illegal. My CD is coming out soon. Dont steal my music, there is no excuse to do it and if you do it you are likely pasul for eidus and if you touch wine its yayin nesech.  The way to do teshuva is to buy it. http://www.torah.org/learning/honesty/class64.html .


Do I really wanna take Halacha advice from someone who feels the need to resort to 'dirty' language?
Or listen to some 'heartfelt' music by the same guying swearing on the forums?

Hmm..

Not too classy, eh?
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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #74 on: March 05, 2012, 04:01:09 PM »
May I know the name (and phone number, if possible) of that rabbi?
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