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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #80 on: March 05, 2012, 04:49:27 PM »
read this http://www.torah.org/learning/honesty/class64.html

and I am a singer and I am not cool with anyone stealing my music.  Let this be public knowledge to anyone here. If one wants my music that is being sold then buy it, if one can't afford it Ill give a free copy, just email me. You may not steal my music.


Switching to to first person for effect

In fact I will likely offer my CD for download and if you dont like it you can destroy it and you do not have to pay. But if you do like it you must pay. Its a chaval for a Rabbi to embarrass Hashem kv"y by stipulating that its OK to steal. If you wouldn't buy it you wouldn't be listening to it, and you are going to steal at least you should know that its illegal and immoral

My wife, myself, my children, my parents and all else of those who invested resources into my music do not necessarily want our investment to go to ashes because some Sodomite announced that its OK to steal it. I want to make sure that this is clear in advance.

If somebody has no intention to buy the album (wether its bec. They can't afford or if its bec of a different reason),  there are poskim that hold its totally mutar.

You are a noigaya bedavar and therefore your own psak is pretty much not worth anything.

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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #81 on: March 05, 2012, 04:50:10 PM »
You are a noigaya bedavar and therefore your own psak is pretty much not worth anything.
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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #82 on: March 05, 2012, 04:52:56 PM »
In case its assur, its one of the hardest yetzer horahs to overcome.
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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #83 on: March 05, 2012, 04:53:30 PM »
In fact I will likely offer my CD for download and if you dont like it you can destroy it and you do not have to pay. But if you do like it you must pay. Its a chaval for a Rabbi to embarrass Hashem kv"y by stipulating that its OK to steal. If you wouldn't buy it you wouldn't be listening to it, and you are going to steal at least you should know that its illegal and immoral

My wife, myself, my children, my parents and all else of those who invested resources into my music do not necessarily want our investment to go to ashes because some Sodomite announced that its OK to steal it. I want to make sure that this is clear in advance.

ooook... Now you're pushing it a bit, IMHO.

You are a noigaya bedavar and therefore your own psak is pretty much not worth anything.

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For the record: (no offense but) I have no interest in your music. If I did, I'd consider buying your album.

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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #84 on: March 05, 2012, 04:58:39 PM »
If you wouldn't buy it you wouldn't be listening to it
  If i gave you a Lamborghini would you drive it? If YouTube charged $1 to view every video would you still watch a few a day? Just because I won't pay for something doesn't mean I wouldn't do/use it for free.

Also I must agree with what other people are saying halacha is decided by a rav not by what seems right or what your feelings tell you.
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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #85 on: March 05, 2012, 05:50:17 PM »
Another version of chayiv inish - without the kol isha ;)
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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #86 on: March 05, 2012, 09:44:35 PM »
Ironic - Men At Work face 33m bill after judge rules Australian band copied Down Under melody (this topic is ancient and has been hashed and rehashed ad nauseam)

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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #87 on: March 05, 2012, 09:56:33 PM »
Ironic - Men At Work face 33m bill after judge rules Australian band copied Down Under melody (this topic is ancient and has been hashed and rehashed ad nauseam)
Wow, those songs barely sound similar.
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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #88 on: March 06, 2012, 09:21:42 AM »
For the record: (no offense but) I have no interest in your music.

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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #89 on: March 06, 2012, 09:35:26 AM »
Wow, those songs barely sound similar.

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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #90 on: March 06, 2012, 09:52:25 AM »
Ironic - Men At Work face 33m bill after judge rules Australian band copied Down Under melody (this topic is ancient and has been hashed and rehashed ad nauseam)
Does this mean theyre coming after piamenta next?

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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #91 on: March 06, 2012, 12:41:23 PM »
Does this mean theyre coming after piamenta next?
My father loves to tell over a story he heard from Lenny Solomon, who basically is Shlock Rock. He said a lawyer for a famous musician ((I think it was Billy Joel or Elton John) wanted to begin legal action, or collect royalties (or whatever they're called) for the copyrighted songs Shlock Rock uses. The lawyer sat down with them and his first question was how many albums do you sell. When he heard the answer (it was a low number, be it hundreds or a few thousand) he got up, grabbed his stuff and left.

Obviously the details are a little fuzzy. The point is, almost no one sells enough Jewish music for anyone of note to care about their copyrighted music being used.
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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #92 on: March 06, 2012, 12:52:26 PM »
If it hasn't been posted yet, here's a comprehensive summary
http://onthisandonthat.blogspot.com/2012/03/and-here-i-thought-origins-of-popular.html

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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #93 on: March 07, 2012, 12:20:58 AM »
If i gave you a Lamborghini would you drive it? If YouTube charged $1 to view every video would you still watch a few a day? Just because I won't pay for something doesn't mean I wouldn't do/use it for free.

Also I must agree with what other people are saying halacha is decided by a rav not by what seems right or what your feelings tell you.

Unfair IMO, If there was a really easy way to pay 1 cent a video would you watch that video?

When you think of it that way I think it becomes clear that people would pay. They just don't agree on the price.

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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #94 on: March 07, 2012, 12:23:52 AM »
Unfair IMO, If there was a really easy way to pay 1 cent a video would you watch that video?

When you think of it that way I think it becomes clear that people would pay. They just don't agree on the price.

. . . Or they can't afford it. So if it would be 1 cent per song,  they would by it. Now that its $3 per song, they will never buy and therefore not cause any loss by copying.

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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #95 on: March 07, 2012, 12:32:50 AM »
. . . Or they can't afford it. So if it would be 1 cent per song,  they would by it. Now that its $3 per song, they will never buy and therefore not cause any loss by copying.

Fair point.  I wasn't sure that my first posting fully held water. I agree, finding it too expensive is basically the same thing.

I think it will be harder to argue with my second ha'arah:

Say copying music was totally assur and I didn't have an ipod full of music "i-wasn't-interested-in-buying-but-am willing-to-listen-to-now-and-then" without all that free "junk-i-wouldn't-pay-for" my car rides would be awfully quiet. I think I would stop in to the local judaica store and pick out the least "not-worth-paying-for" CD to make the car ride interesting.

No?

So that new mediocre CD that just came out and you promptly ripped to your collection but are certain you wouldn't actually pay for.... are you really sure?

Are you sure you are buying as many CDs with the invention of a CD burner as if the technology didn't exist?

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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #96 on: March 07, 2012, 01:03:47 AM »
For the record: (no offense but) I have no interest in your music. If I did, I'd consider buying your album.
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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #97 on: March 07, 2012, 08:04:34 AM »


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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #98 on: March 07, 2012, 10:13:21 AM »
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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #99 on: March 09, 2012, 12:50:31 AM »
If somebody has no intention to buy the album (wether its bec. They can't afford or if its bec of a different reason),  there are poskim that hold its totally mutar.

You are a noigaya bedavar and therefore your own psak is pretty much not worth anything.

this is true, never the less I was actually quoting halachically Rabbi Yisroel Belsky and trying to illustrate the logic. If its muttar, its as muttar as the dor hamabul stealing less than a pruta from each other. Its logic defying to be muttar to steal and its likely assur.  Its probably more muttar to use a microphone on shabbos, at least your not hurting anyone. The Jews are supposed to be a light unto the nations and definatly to eacthother, what a silly conversation. You know how many Jews are in the New York State prison system? Dont be matir stealing, besides for the fact that you have to be a shota to actually believe that its OK, you can get prosecuted, heavilt fined etc, it happens occasionally. common, I dear any of you cowards to use your real names here and make an written actual record that says that its OK to steal music. Be mevayesh yourselves brabim, please it will help be mechaper on your aveiros.
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