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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #75 on: March 05, 2012, 04:05:09 PM »
May I know the name (and phone number, if possible) of that rabbi?
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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #76 on: March 05, 2012, 04:16:47 PM »
There is an entire sefer (I don't remember the name) on this topic. I skimmed through it once and I remember him saying that Halachicaly it's muttar to download and that if artists want to protect their material they should include a text on the CD saying they are only 'leasing' the CD and not selling it in which case you are responsible to abide by the terms of the lease.

A few years ago several singers started putting that text on their albums (word for word from what was written in this sefer) but for some reason I haven't seen it recently.

It seems singers and poskim agree that it muttar to copy and thus feel a need to come up with a leasing agreement.

This doesn't necessarily work. For example, if you lease something and violate the lease al pi halacha it nullifies the lease from the beginning meaning you have to return the cd and he has to return your money, based on the assumption (closer to a fact) that no artist is really willing to return the money if the "lease" is violated. This proves what it really is, a sale. I'm not saying this gives you a right to copy it, but it does nullify the "lease".

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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #77 on: March 05, 2012, 04:37:59 PM »
read this http://www.torah.org/learning/honesty/class64.html

and I am a singer and I am not cool with anyone stealing my music.  Let this be public knowledge to anyone here. If one wants my music that is being sold then buy it, if one can't afford it Ill give a free copy, just email me. You may not steal my music.


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In fact I will likely offer my CD for download and if you dont like it you can destroy it and you do not have to pay. But if you do like it you must pay. Its a chaval for a Rabbi to embarrass Hashem kv"y by stipulating that its OK to steal. If you wouldn't buy it you wouldn't be listening to it, and you are going to steal at least you should know that its illegal and immoral

My wife, myself, my children, my parents and all else of those who invested resources into my music do not necessarily want our investment to go to ashes because some Sodomite announced that its OK to steal it. I want to make sure that this is clear in advance.
« Last Edit: March 05, 2012, 04:42:26 PM by asherbarkin »

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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #78 on: March 05, 2012, 04:46:33 PM »
read this http://www.torah.org/learning/honesty/class64.html

and I am a singer and I am not cool with anyone stealing my music.  Let this be public knowledge to anyone here. If one wants my music that is being sold then buy it, if one can't afford it Ill give a free copy, just email me. You may not steal my music.


Switching to to first person for effect

In fact I will likely offer my CD for download and if you dont like it you can destroy it and you do not have to pay. But if you do like it you must pay. Its a chaval for a Rabbi to embarrass Hashem kv"y by stipulating that its OK to steal. If you wouldn't buy it you wouldn't be listening to it, and you are going to steal at least you should know that its illegal and immoral

My wife, myself, my children, my parents and all else of those who invested resources into my music do not necessarily want our investment to go to ashes because some Sodomite announced that its OK to steal it. I want to make sure that this is clear in advance.
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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #79 on: March 05, 2012, 04:48:49 PM »
read this http://www.torah.org/learning/honesty/class64.html

and I am a singer and I am not cool with anyone stealing my music.  Let this be public knowledge to anyone here. If one wants my music that is being sold then buy it, if one can't afford it Ill give a free copy, just email me. You may not steal my music.


Switching to to first person for effect

In fact I will likely offer my CD for download and if you dont like it you can destroy it and you do not have to pay. But if you do like it you must pay. Its a chaval for a Rabbi to embarrass Hashem kv"y by stipulating that its OK to steal. If you wouldn't buy it you wouldn't be listening to it, and you are going to steal at least you should know that its illegal and immoral

Sorry I didn't read the link you posted, because as most of these kind of discussions go there are many Rabonim on each side and everyone should follow what their Rav says. As far as it being illegal, the sugya of dina d'malchusa dina is a very complicated one and just because it is illegal doesn't mean it's assur. And as far as it being immoral or unethical, that may very well be however that still doesn't make it assur. (Again i'm not condoning it or even paskening that it's muttar however it's not pashut at all).

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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #80 on: March 05, 2012, 04:49:27 PM »
read this http://www.torah.org/learning/honesty/class64.html

and I am a singer and I am not cool with anyone stealing my music.  Let this be public knowledge to anyone here. If one wants my music that is being sold then buy it, if one can't afford it Ill give a free copy, just email me. You may not steal my music.


Switching to to first person for effect

In fact I will likely offer my CD for download and if you dont like it you can destroy it and you do not have to pay. But if you do like it you must pay. Its a chaval for a Rabbi to embarrass Hashem kv"y by stipulating that its OK to steal. If you wouldn't buy it you wouldn't be listening to it, and you are going to steal at least you should know that its illegal and immoral

My wife, myself, my children, my parents and all else of those who invested resources into my music do not necessarily want our investment to go to ashes because some Sodomite announced that its OK to steal it. I want to make sure that this is clear in advance.

If somebody has no intention to buy the album (wether its bec. They can't afford or if its bec of a different reason),  there are poskim that hold its totally mutar.

You are a noigaya bedavar and therefore your own psak is pretty much not worth anything.

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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #81 on: March 05, 2012, 04:50:10 PM »
You are a noigaya bedavar and therefore your own psak is pretty much not worth anything.
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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #82 on: March 05, 2012, 04:52:56 PM »
In case its assur, its one of the hardest yetzer horahs to overcome.
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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #83 on: March 05, 2012, 04:53:30 PM »
In fact I will likely offer my CD for download and if you dont like it you can destroy it and you do not have to pay. But if you do like it you must pay. Its a chaval for a Rabbi to embarrass Hashem kv"y by stipulating that its OK to steal. If you wouldn't buy it you wouldn't be listening to it, and you are going to steal at least you should know that its illegal and immoral

My wife, myself, my children, my parents and all else of those who invested resources into my music do not necessarily want our investment to go to ashes because some Sodomite announced that its OK to steal it. I want to make sure that this is clear in advance.

ooook... Now you're pushing it a bit, IMHO.

You are a noigaya bedavar and therefore your own psak is pretty much not worth anything.

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For the record: (no offense but) I have no interest in your music. If I did, I'd consider buying your album.
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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #84 on: March 05, 2012, 04:58:39 PM »
If you wouldn't buy it you wouldn't be listening to it
  If i gave you a Lamborghini would you drive it? If YouTube charged $1 to view every video would you still watch a few a day? Just because I won't pay for something doesn't mean I wouldn't do/use it for free.

Also I must agree with what other people are saying halacha is decided by a rav not by what seems right or what your feelings tell you.
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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #85 on: March 05, 2012, 05:50:17 PM »
Another version of chayiv inish - without the kol isha ;)
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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #86 on: March 05, 2012, 09:44:35 PM »
Ironic - Men At Work face 33m bill after judge rules Australian band copied Down Under melody (this topic is ancient and has been hashed and rehashed ad nauseam)

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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #87 on: March 05, 2012, 09:56:33 PM »
Ironic - Men At Work face 33m bill after judge rules Australian band copied Down Under melody (this topic is ancient and has been hashed and rehashed ad nauseam)
Wow, those songs barely sound similar.
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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #88 on: March 06, 2012, 09:21:42 AM »
For the record: (no offense but) I have no interest in your music.

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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #89 on: March 06, 2012, 09:35:26 AM »
Wow, those songs barely sound similar.

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