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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #90 on: March 06, 2012, 09:52:25 AM »
Ironic - Men At Work face 33m bill after judge rules Australian band copied Down Under melody (this topic is ancient and has been hashed and rehashed ad nauseam)
Does this mean theyre coming after piamenta next?

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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #91 on: March 06, 2012, 12:41:23 PM »
Does this mean theyre coming after piamenta next?
My father loves to tell over a story he heard from Lenny Solomon, who basically is Shlock Rock. He said a lawyer for a famous musician ((I think it was Billy Joel or Elton John) wanted to begin legal action, or collect royalties (or whatever they're called) for the copyrighted songs Shlock Rock uses. The lawyer sat down with them and his first question was how many albums do you sell. When he heard the answer (it was a low number, be it hundreds or a few thousand) he got up, grabbed his stuff and left.

Obviously the details are a little fuzzy. The point is, almost no one sells enough Jewish music for anyone of note to care about their copyrighted music being used.
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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #92 on: March 06, 2012, 12:52:26 PM »
If it hasn't been posted yet, here's a comprehensive summary
http://onthisandonthat.blogspot.com/2012/03/and-here-i-thought-origins-of-popular.html

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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #93 on: March 07, 2012, 12:20:58 AM »
If i gave you a Lamborghini would you drive it? If YouTube charged $1 to view every video would you still watch a few a day? Just because I won't pay for something doesn't mean I wouldn't do/use it for free.

Also I must agree with what other people are saying halacha is decided by a rav not by what seems right or what your feelings tell you.

Unfair IMO, If there was a really easy way to pay 1 cent a video would you watch that video?

When you think of it that way I think it becomes clear that people would pay. They just don't agree on the price.

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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #94 on: March 07, 2012, 12:23:52 AM »
Unfair IMO, If there was a really easy way to pay 1 cent a video would you watch that video?

When you think of it that way I think it becomes clear that people would pay. They just don't agree on the price.

. . . Or they can't afford it. So if it would be 1 cent per song,  they would by it. Now that its $3 per song, they will never buy and therefore not cause any loss by copying.

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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #95 on: March 07, 2012, 12:32:50 AM »
. . . Or they can't afford it. So if it would be 1 cent per song,  they would by it. Now that its $3 per song, they will never buy and therefore not cause any loss by copying.

Fair point.  I wasn't sure that my first posting fully held water. I agree, finding it too expensive is basically the same thing.

I think it will be harder to argue with my second ha'arah:

Say copying music was totally assur and I didn't have an ipod full of music "i-wasn't-interested-in-buying-but-am willing-to-listen-to-now-and-then" without all that free "junk-i-wouldn't-pay-for" my car rides would be awfully quiet. I think I would stop in to the local judaica store and pick out the least "not-worth-paying-for" CD to make the car ride interesting.

No?

So that new mediocre CD that just came out and you promptly ripped to your collection but are certain you wouldn't actually pay for.... are you really sure?

Are you sure you are buying as many CDs with the invention of a CD burner as if the technology didn't exist?

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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #96 on: March 07, 2012, 01:03:47 AM »
For the record: (no offense but) I have no interest in your music. If I did, I'd consider buying your album.
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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #97 on: March 07, 2012, 08:04:34 AM »


hu hu hu, hu yigal osanu

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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #98 on: March 07, 2012, 10:13:21 AM »
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If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #99 on: March 09, 2012, 12:50:31 AM »
If somebody has no intention to buy the album (wether its bec. They can't afford or if its bec of a different reason),  there are poskim that hold its totally mutar.

You are a noigaya bedavar and therefore your own psak is pretty much not worth anything.

this is true, never the less I was actually quoting halachically Rabbi Yisroel Belsky and trying to illustrate the logic. If its muttar, its as muttar as the dor hamabul stealing less than a pruta from each other. Its logic defying to be muttar to steal and its likely assur.  Its probably more muttar to use a microphone on shabbos, at least your not hurting anyone. The Jews are supposed to be a light unto the nations and definatly to eacthother, what a silly conversation. You know how many Jews are in the New York State prison system? Dont be matir stealing, besides for the fact that you have to be a shota to actually believe that its OK, you can get prosecuted, heavilt fined etc, it happens occasionally. common, I dear any of you cowards to use your real names here and make an written actual record that says that its OK to steal music. Be mevayesh yourselves brabim, please it will help be mechaper on your aveiros.
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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #100 on: March 09, 2012, 08:10:06 AM »
...you cowards... Be mevayesh yourselves brabim, please it will help be mechaper on your aveiros.
I'm going to politely ask you to please stop this whole nonsense right now. The name-calling and the mussar, and trying to figure out who's who so you can give a good snap at them directly, etc.. This topic is completely off the rails. Please create a new thread called "issur to rip music off the internet" or something. I don't want to hear(read) this anymore.
Every time I see an alert for a new message in this thread in my inbox, I get excited and want to see what Jewish song ripped off another old goyish song. But no, the new message I see is nonsense which is unrelated to this thread. Please take this elsewhere. It's annoying.
Let me close off saying, that I do not steal music. I use iTunes and MostlyMusic, because I'm a good Jew. NOW EVERYBODY TAKE THIS TOPIC TO A NEW THREAD OR SHUT UP!!!!!

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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #101 on: March 09, 2012, 10:11:44 AM »
I'm going to politely ask you to please stop this whole nonsense right now. The name-calling and the mussar, and trying to figure out who's who so you can give a good snap at them directly, etc.. This topic is completely off the rails. Please create a new thread called "issur to rip music off the internet" or something. I don't want to hear(read) this anymore.
Every time I see an alert for a new message in this thread in my inbox, I get excited and want to see what Jewish song ripped off another old goyish song. But no, the new message I see is nonsense which is unrelated to this thread. Please take this elsewhere. It's annoying.
Let me close off saying, that I do not steal music. I use iTunes and MostlyMusic, because I'm a good Jew. NOW EVERYBODY TAKE THIS TOPIC TO A NEW THREAD OR SHUT UP!!!!!
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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #102 on: March 09, 2012, 10:58:36 AM »
Your right Im sorry. 

I just have one more thing. that Chabad who is pretty lenient on copying music are also by far the biggest frum supporters of the arts. So if a Lubavitcher chossid copies my music I might actually be OK with it, because popularity in the Chabad community can easilly means bookings.
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Re: MBD - Yidden!
« Reply #103 on: March 10, 2012, 02:41:51 PM »
I just have one more thing. that Chabad who is pretty lenient on copying music are also by far the biggest frum supporters of the arts. So if a Lubavitcher chossid copies my music I might actually be OK with it, because popularity in the Chabad community can easilly means bookings.
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