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Anyone find somewhere where that defines what their "services" are?
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« Reply #166 on: November 16, 2016, 03:12:40 PM »
That's just it makes no sense that because someone violated the terms and conditions of Google Fi that they have a right to shut his email account where he didn't violate the terms and conditions

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That's just it makes no sense that because someone violated the terms and conditions of Google Fi that they have a right to shut his email account where he didn't violate the terms and conditions
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« Reply #168 on: November 16, 2016, 03:14:55 PM »
Yes and nowhere in the gmail terms and conditions does it say a word about resale

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Seems they're not complying with that... (And, don't give me any of that nonsense about it *not" being "reasonably possible" either.)
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Anyone find somewhere where that defines what their "services" are?
I'd assume all of these? https://www.google.com/intl/en/about/products/

Yes and nowhere in the gmail terms and conditions does it say a word about resale
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« Reply #171 on: November 16, 2016, 03:17:12 PM »
From Google T&C:

Seems they're not complying with that... (And, don't give me any of that nonsense about it *not" being "reasonably possible" either.)
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« Reply #172 on: November 16, 2016, 03:17:47 PM »
From Google T&C:

Seems they're not complying with that... (And, don't give me any of that nonsense about it *not" being "reasonably possible" either.)
They're not discontinuing a service. They're banning you.
Still, I'm assuming they will give over the data even if they do decide to ban.

And FTR I don't think they will actually ban everyone.
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Re: Help, Google just disabled my email accounts
« Reply #173 on: November 16, 2016, 03:19:03 PM »
I don't gain anything from this. And I said multiple times I hope they reinstate accounts and that this is devastating.

I got irked when some members were saying they didn't break any T&C and that everyone should sue Google.

Saying And then saying  That there aren't any T&C.

It makes people sound so ignorant it's painful.

And then people saying that we should sue Google and make millions on them:

This is a forums where people express what they think and when people say ignorant or outrageous things I will sometimes let them know what they are saying is factually incorrect. Hopefully that realization will help them in this case.

They will be much better off begging to get an account back than suing them for damages.

This is a terrible thing and I hope Google realizes how this is bad for them and way out of proportion. I hope everyone's account in reinstated asap.

I also gave some possible solutions and agree with Yuneeq that we give way too much power to these companies and if anything a good news story about this may actually cause law reform and give us the protection we deserve.
maybe quote my next message where i stayed why i said what i said
i never said that i didnt break the t&c
i was asking which one we did (cuz i didnt read the t&c)
and when someone chats with project fi asking them what the t&c are and asking for a link, and the cs said that there is no public t&c but only internal, hence they couldn't provide a link, didnt think that that would fall under the category of not to rely..
and to follow up, the cs did in fact email that person a list of conditions (what/how many your allowed to buy)

so just to clarify, your upset cuz i'm 'ignorant' by believing them that there is no public t&c?
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« Reply #174 on: November 16, 2016, 03:19:25 PM »
They're not discontinuing a service. They're banning you.
Still, I'm assuming they will give over the data even if they do decide to ban.

And FTR I don't think they will actually ban everyone.
So you think it means on a company level like if they stop offering Gmail to the public, not if they discontinue the service (i.e. ban) just a few people.
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Re: Help, Google just disabled my email accounts
« Reply #175 on: November 16, 2016, 03:20:06 PM »
All that paragraph means is that any service you use is subject to the terms and conditions of that service but it doesn't say anywhere that if you violate the terms and conditions of one service they have a right to shut all there other services

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« Reply #176 on: November 16, 2016, 03:20:23 PM »
So you think it means on a company level like if they stop offering Gmail to the public, not if they discontinue the service (i.e. ban) just a few people.
That's how I read that line. They ended the Google affiliate network and gave me a few months to download the data before discontinuing it.
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« Reply #177 on: November 16, 2016, 03:21:24 PM »
maybe quote my next message where i stayed why i said what i said
i never said that i didnt break the t&c
i was asking which one we did (cuz i didnt read the t&c)
and when someone chats with project fi asking them what the t&c are and asking for a link, and the cs said that there is no public t&c but only internal, hence they couldn't provide a link, didnt think that that would fall under the category of not to rely..
and to follow up, the cs did in fact email that person a list of conditions (what/how many your allowed to buy)

so just to clarify, your upset cuz i'm 'ignorant' by believing them that there is no public t&c?
Hindsight is 20/20 eh?

I wrote my comments before you explained yourself so I can quote those comments as well.

Regardless it is something readily available on their homepage so, I would say that it was a dumb rep either way.
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Re: Help, Google just disabled my email accounts
« Reply #178 on: November 16, 2016, 03:22:10 PM »
All that paragraph means is that any service you use is subject to the terms and conditions of that service but it doesn't say anywhere that if you violate the terms and conditions of one service they have a right to shut all there other services
Sure does, it's one agreement. That's what the line means, by agreeing to this all other agreements become part of this.

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Re: Help, Google just disabled my email accounts
« Reply #179 on: November 16, 2016, 03:23:59 PM »
They're not discontinuing a service. They're banning you.

That may be the interpretation they intended, but it's debatable.

Still, I'm assuming they will give over the data even if they do decide to ban.

The issue, and what's concerning, is that emails are being bounced back, so the data they may ultimately give, is going to incomplete and defective. This is where the irrevocable damages stems from, and it's what I'm going to lean on in a big way if this is not resolved in short order.
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