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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan bad for large families
« Reply #240 on: November 16, 2017, 11:25:07 AM »
The only fool is the one who comes up with opinions without being willing to review the facts. That includes most (all?) politicians.

You are participating in trollish behavior  ;D

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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan bad for large families
« Reply #241 on: November 16, 2017, 01:55:53 PM »
The bill just past in the House

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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan bad for large families
« Reply #242 on: November 16, 2017, 02:04:27 PM »
The bill just past in the House

To be expected. The senate is were the battle will be.

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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan bad for large families
« Reply #243 on: November 17, 2017, 07:41:52 AM »
The deduction for Yeshiva tution did not make it out of  Committee, the reduction of tax on Craft Beer did. Apparently the Craft beer lobby was more effective than the Yeshiva lobby  ??? If nothing else we may have cheaper beer - I'll drink to that.

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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan bad for large families
« Reply #245 on: November 17, 2017, 03:03:01 PM »
I saw a bunch of versions of this story, but this one gives the full context.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/11/17/this-remarkable-angry-exchange-between-senators-unmasks-the-gops-tax-cut-lies/

What was the rationale for rejecting Wydens amendment? It would've gone a long way to helping the messaging if the bill.

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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan bad for large families
« Reply #246 on: November 18, 2017, 12:32:09 PM »
I saw a bunch of versions of this story, but this one gives the full context.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/11/17/this-remarkable-angry-exchange-between-senators-unmasks-the-gops-tax-cut-lies/

What was the rationale for rejecting Wydens amendment? It would've gone a long way to helping the messaging if the bill.

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* WHY REPUBLICANS ARE RUSHING THE TAX BILL THROUGH: The House passed its version of tax “reform” yesterday, and the New York Times comments on the breakneck speed of the process:


An article that puts reform in quote marks is admitting to being complete spin.  Find another source for the facts.

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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan bad for large families
« Reply #247 on: November 18, 2017, 06:07:00 PM »

An article that puts reform in quote marks is admitting to being complete spin.  Find another source for the facts.
I'm sorry, but that's a really dumb response. This amendment was proposed, and then rejected. Unless you have a source that disputes those facts, I'm legitimately looking for an explanation. Maybe there is one, but so far I haven't seen it.

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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan bad for large families
« Reply #248 on: November 18, 2017, 07:04:54 PM »
I'm sorry, but that's a really dumb response. This amendment was proposed, and then rejected. Unless you have a source that disputes those facts, I'm legitimately looking for an explanation. Maybe there is one, but so far I haven't seen it.
I agree. Just that you know. :)

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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan bad for large families
« Reply #249 on: November 19, 2017, 12:49:12 AM »
The deduction for Yeshiva tution did not make it out of  Committee, the reduction of tax on Craft Beer did. Apparently the Craft beer lobby was more effective than the Yeshiva lobby  ??? If nothing else we may have cheaper beer - I'll drink to that.
Where did you see that the tuition deduction didn't make it out of committee?

Is it 100% dead now, or can it still be put in the senate plan, so its worth to contact senators?

Lets say it is not in the plan that the senate passes, can it still be put in, when the House and Senate plans go to conference? Or, in order for it to be addressed in conference, it needs to have been included in either the House or Senate plans?

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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan bad for large families
« Reply #250 on: November 19, 2017, 10:02:48 AM »
Where did you see that the tuition deduction didn't make it out of committee?

Is it 100% dead now, or can it still be put in the senate plan, so its worth to contact senators?

Lets say it is not in the plan that the senate passes, can it still be put in, when the House and Senate plans go to conference? Or, in order for it to be addressed in conference, it needs to have been included in either the House or Senate plans?
It can still technically be added in however it is highly unlikely. The real chance for the tuition deduction to have been added to the bill was in committee, but it appears it was either not lobbied sufficiently amongst the committee members or there was strong opposition to it.   

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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan bad for large families
« Reply #251 on: November 19, 2017, 11:46:54 AM »
It can still technically be added in however it is highly unlikely. The real chance for the tuition deduction to have been added to the bill was in committee, but it appears it was either not lobbied sufficiently amongst the committee members or there was strong opposition to it.
I doubt the current political climate is conducive to introducing a tuition deduction.

It will be seen as a subsidy for the rich that send to private schools. The fact that a frum Yid will send to a private school regardless of their financial situation, doesn't show up on anyone's radar screen, and even if it would, is (unfortunately) not enough of a political reason to support it.
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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan bad for large families
« Reply #252 on: November 19, 2017, 12:22:33 PM »
I doubt the current political climate is conducive to introducing a tuition deduction.

It will be seen as a subsidy for the rich that send to private schools. The fact that a frum Yid will send to a private school regardless of their financial situation, doesn't show up on anyone's radar screen, and even if it would, is (unfortunately) not enough of a political reason to support it.
The proposed deduction was specifically for religious schools (30% of the curriculum had to be religious based) not privite school. The whole bill is seen as benefiting the rich this would not have made that much of a difference in public opinion.

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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan bad for large families
« Reply #253 on: November 28, 2017, 04:22:26 PM »
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-11-28/the-rich-don-t-need-a-college-subsidy

Didn't notice this anywhere before. I'm not a big proponent of 529 plans, but if they can be used to pay for tuition at any level, that's actually help for (certain) frum families. And while the writer's logic seems to be correct in that it helps the "rich", we know that a large frum family making $150,000 is far from rich, yet will send all children to "private" schools.
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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan bad for large families
« Reply #254 on: November 28, 2017, 04:27:46 PM »
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-11-28/the-rich-don-t-need-a-college-subsidy

Didn't notice this anywhere before. I'm not a big proponent of 529 plans, but if they can be used to pay for tuition at any level, that's actually help for (certain) frum families. And while the writer's logic seems to be correct in that it helps the "rich", we know that a large frum family making $150,000 is far from rich, yet will send all children to "private" schools.

Unless you start saving for tuition before the child starts school and the fund has gains, how would a 529 help frum families?