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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #820 on: October 04, 2018, 11:31:39 AM »
Amazon raised the minimum wage because they can't get enough employees. Don't be fooled they did this out of kindness.
Exactly, and so will everyone else who can't get enough employees. There is no reason for the government to force them.
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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #821 on: October 04, 2018, 11:33:40 AM »
In certain locales $15 is already the legal minimum wage. So it allows them to have a uniform policy while attracting workers. However, they did take away bonuses in exchange.
Without getting into all the details in the short run it was a wash for Amazon. They also gave raises to those making $15 already. They are talking about some type of stock purchasing plan.
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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #822 on: October 04, 2018, 11:36:01 AM »
Exactly, and so will everyone else who can't get enough employees. There is no reason for the government to force them.
$7.25 is a disgrace for a minimum wage. I don't expect you to support anything that helps minorities or those at the low end of the scale. After all you support sweat shops.  >:(
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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #823 on: October 04, 2018, 11:41:17 AM »
$7.25 is a disgrace for a minimum wage. I don't expect you to support anything that helps minorities or those at the low end of the scale. After all you support sweat shops.  >:(
I agree, we should completely abolish the minimum wage instead of telling people they are not allowed to work unless they find an employer who is willing to pay more. Minimum wage actually allows racism by taking away the incentive for a racist to hire someone he is racist against, because regardless he must pay the same wage.
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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #824 on: October 04, 2018, 11:44:04 AM »
I agree, we should completely abolish the minimum wage instead of telling people they are not allowed to work unless they find an employer who is willing to pay more. Minimum wage actually allows racism by taking away the incentive for a racist to hire someone he is racist against, because regardless he must pay the same wage.
History has shown the racism of businesses. You are promoting these same views. Speaks volumes of where you stand on racism.
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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #825 on: October 04, 2018, 11:51:01 AM »
History has shown the racism of businesses. You are promoting these same views. Speaks volumes of where you stand on racism.
Let me explain it to you with an example so maybe you'll try to understand instead of calling me names. Let's say there is a racist business owner, and he needs an employee. The white guy is only willing to work for $11 an hour while a black guy is willing to work for $10. He now has a choice of being racist and hiring the white guy or saving money and being able to compete better with his non-racist competitor. If the government then goes and creates a minimum wage of $11 you just took away the financial consequence of being racist, and now the black guy won't have the job at all.
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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #826 on: October 04, 2018, 11:56:30 AM »
Let me explain it to you with an example so maybe you'll try to understand instead of calling me names. Let's say there is a racist business owner, and he needs an employee. The white guy is only willing to work for $11 an hour while a black guy is willing to work for $10. He now has a choice of being racist and hiring the white guy or saving money and being able to compete better with his non-racist competitor. If the government then goes and creates a minimum wage of $11 you just took away the financial consequence of being racist, and now the black guy won't have the job at all.
I am not calling you anything. I am stating your views accurately. You tried to justify sweatshops and now you are trying to justify no minimum wage. Any fair person can see right through this insane logic.
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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #827 on: October 04, 2018, 12:41:47 PM »
I am not calling you anything. I am stating your views accurately. You tried to justify sweatshops and now you are trying to justify no minimum wage. Any fair person can see right through this insane logic.
Again, you refuse to look at facts, and instead would rather do what makes you feel good regardless of whether or not it is good.
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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #828 on: October 04, 2018, 01:03:13 PM »
Again, you refuse to look at facts, and instead would rather do what makes you feel good regardless of whether or not it is good.
You want to twist the facts to suit you. Raising the minimum wage helps the low income and minorities. That is the facts. If you don't believe them then ask them. You want to believe the business owners that say this is not true. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid!!!
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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #829 on: October 04, 2018, 01:06:32 PM »
You want to twist the facts to suit you. Raising the minimum wage helps the low income and minorities. That is the facts. If you don't believe them then ask them. You want to believe the business owners that say this is not true. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid!!!
Again you won't look out of your narrow view, of course some people are helped by a higher minimum wage, but you are ignoring all those that are hurt by it, and ironically the ones who need the most help are the ones who are hurt the most.
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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #830 on: October 04, 2018, 01:12:45 PM »
Again you won't look out of your narrow view, of course some people are helped by a higher minimum wage, but you are ignoring all those that are hurt by it, and ironically the ones who need the most help are the ones who are hurt the most.
You made the same argument for sweatshops. Thank G-d there are not many nutcases like that left making the same argument.
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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #831 on: October 04, 2018, 01:21:32 PM »
I agree, we should completely abolish the minimum wage instead of telling people they are not allowed to work unless they find an employer who is willing to pay more. Minimum wage actually allows racism by taking away the incentive for a racist to hire someone he is racist against, because regardless he must pay the same wage.
Because what good are anti discrimination laws

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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #832 on: October 04, 2018, 01:22:28 PM »
Again you won't look out of your narrow view, of course some people are helped by a higher minimum wage, but you are ignoring all those that are hurt by it, and ironically the ones who need the most help are the ones who are hurt the most.
CEOs are hurt by it?

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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #833 on: October 04, 2018, 01:23:44 PM »
Because what good are anti discrimination laws
...but don't anti-discrimination laws hurt those they are trying to protect?  :)
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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #834 on: October 04, 2018, 01:24:17 PM »
...but don't anti-discrimination laws hurt those they are trying to protect?  :)
They’re also supposed to protect CEO’s ?

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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #835 on: October 04, 2018, 01:25:41 PM »
CEOs are hurt by it?
The people who are laid off / can't find a job are hurt by it.
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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #836 on: October 04, 2018, 01:26:40 PM »
The people who are laid off / can't find a job are hurt by it.
Until they find a new job with the higher overall wages and minimal impact on unemployment.

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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #837 on: October 04, 2018, 01:28:12 PM »
Until they find a new job with the higher overall wages and minimal impact on unemployment.
History has shown that it has a real effect on job growth.
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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #838 on: October 04, 2018, 01:28:44 PM »
History has shown that it has a real effect on job growth.
So if it improves job growth it’s a win win

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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #839 on: October 04, 2018, 01:30:04 PM »
The people who are laid off / can't find a job are hurt by it.
Maybe you didn't hear. Minority unemployment is at a historic low.
The problem with your logic is Amazon raised their MW to 15 and still needs employees.
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