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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #840 on: October 04, 2018, 01:33:20 PM »
Maybe you didn't hear. Minority unemployment is at a historic low.
The problem with your logic is Amazon raised their MW to 15 and still needs employees.
So why do we need a mandated minimum wage? The market seems to be doing a good job making sure everyone can get a good paying job.
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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #841 on: October 04, 2018, 01:36:16 PM »
So why do we need a mandated minimum wage?
The same reason you need unions. History has shown us that businesses are scumbags. They care about the bottom line and not the welfare of their employees.
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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #842 on: October 04, 2018, 01:38:00 PM »
The same reason you need unions. History has shown us that businesses are scumbags. They care about the bottom line and not the welfare of their employees.
So why won't their employees go work for someone who pays better like amazon?
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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #843 on: October 04, 2018, 01:41:10 PM »
So why won't their employees go work for someone who pays better like amazon?
Amazon can only hire so many people. Why are you asking such idiotic questions?
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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #844 on: October 04, 2018, 01:43:07 PM »
Maybe you didn't hear. Minority unemployment is at a historic low.
The problem with your logic is Amazon raised their MW to 15 and still needs employees.

At $15 minimum wage, there are plenty of people that will lose eligibility for programs such as Medicaid, Foodstamps, Welfare, etc. However, at least in states like NY, that money will still be spent by making people who are not citizens or permanent residents of the US eligible for government-funded health coverage which mirrors Medicaid (for example, people with a student visa can get NY Essential Plan at $0 premiums and $0 co-pays if they qualify based on income (which supposedly they would, as they aren't allowed to work in the US).
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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #845 on: October 04, 2018, 01:44:21 PM »
Amazon can only hire so many people. Why are you asking such idiotic questions?

And they can easily afford the $15/hour, while small business struggle with the elevated minimum wage (and all associated employment and regulatory costs such as employer FICA, Workers Comp, etc.).
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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #846 on: October 04, 2018, 01:44:55 PM »
Amazon can only hire so many people. Why are you asking such idiotic questions?
Please stop calling me names just because i disagree with you. Why is it that I never accused you of trying to hurt the people who get hurt when the minimum wage is increased, but when you disagree with me, the only reason why I disagree is because I am evil and racist?
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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #847 on: October 04, 2018, 01:46:01 PM »
At $15 minimum wage, there are plenty of people that will lose eligibility for programs such as Medicaid, Foodstamps, Welfare, etc. However, at least in states like NY, that money will still be spent by making people who are not citizens or permanent residents of the US eligible for government-funded health coverage which mirrors Medicaid (for example, people with a student visa can get NY Essential Plan at $0 premiums and $0 co-pays if they qualify based on income (which supposedly they would, as they aren't allowed to work in the US).
There is no argument that some will be in a catch 22 situation. You fix those situations, not use it as an excuse for not raising the MW.
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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #848 on: October 04, 2018, 01:48:27 PM »
Please stop calling me names just because i disagree with you. Why is it that I never accused you of trying to hurt the people who get hurt when the minimum wage is increased, but when you disagree with me, the only reason why I disagree is because I am evil and racist?
I did not call you any names. I call the question idiotic. I did not call you an idiot.
When you ask a question that you already know the answer to what would you call the question?
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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #849 on: October 04, 2018, 01:50:32 PM »
I did not call you any names. I call the question idiotic. I did not call you an idiot.
Same thing.
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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #850 on: October 04, 2018, 01:51:45 PM »
There is no argument that some will be in a catch 22 situation. You fix those situations, not use it as an excuse for not raising the MW.
You just showed the fault in your logic. You start with a preconceived idea that there must be a minimum wage, therefore anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot who doesn't care about the poor.
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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #851 on: October 04, 2018, 01:51:59 PM »
There is no argument that some will be in a catch 22 situation. You fix those situations, not use it as an excuse for not raising the MW.
SOME????

I know of plenty that will have issues with NYC minimum wage at $15 (even at $13.50 for "small employers" - defined as under 10 employees) there's an issue.

And can you see how making employers with 10 or more employees required to pay $15 while under 10 is at $13.50 could hurt employment?
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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #852 on: October 04, 2018, 02:05:25 PM »
You just showed the fault in your logic. You start with a preconceived idea that there must be a minimum wage, therefore anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot who doesn't care about the poor.
That's like saying I started with a preconceived notion that sun will rise tomorrow. Last time I checked no one was making the argument to get rid on the MW.
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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #853 on: October 04, 2018, 02:06:45 PM »
Same thing.
Attacking a statement or question is not the same as attacking the person. A smart person can ask an idiotic question. I have even done it.  :P
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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #854 on: October 04, 2018, 02:09:06 PM »
And can you see how making employers with 10 or more employees required to pay $15 while under 10 is at $13.50 could hurt employment?
Someone always gets hurt but you have to look at the big picture. Trump puts on tariffs and some get hurt. The big picture, is the country better off.
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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #855 on: October 04, 2018, 02:11:54 PM »
Someone always gets hurt but you have to look at the big picture. Trump puts on tariffs and some get hurt. The big picture, is the country better off.

Wow. I managed to elicit good words about Trump from CM! Talking about unintended consequences!
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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #856 on: October 04, 2018, 02:15:11 PM »
Wow. I managed to elicit good words about Trump from CM! Talking about unintended consequences!
This will come as shock to you because of all the #fakenews here. On several occasions I have complimented Trump. On tariffs we are basically on the same page.
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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #857 on: October 04, 2018, 02:17:16 PM »
That's like saying I started with a preconceived notion that sun will rise tomorrow. Last time I checked no one was making the argument to get rid on the MW.
For the reasons I stated earlier, I would get rid of the minimum wage, and I certainly wouldn't raise it.
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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #858 on: October 04, 2018, 02:17:29 PM »
This will come as shock to you because of all the #fakenews here. On several occasions I have complimented Trump. On tariffs we are basically on the same page.

I'm not going to comment about tariffs at this point, but what amazed me was that I was able to elicit from you a favorable comment about Trump.
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Re: Trump-Republican tax plan, Bad for large families
« Reply #859 on: October 04, 2018, 02:18:37 PM »
For the reasons I stated earlier, I would get rid of the minimum wage, and I certainly wouldn't raise it.
I understand you would get rid of it. I am glad that view is hardly if ever heard.
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