Author Topic: global warming- what's your take? (Read 42729 times)

avromie7 · « **Reply #80 on:** July 01, 2021, 10:03:30 AM »

Quote from: S209 on July 01, 2021, 09:59:50 AM

Fair. Can you name any scientist armed with data who disagrees?

No I can't. Not because they don't exist, but because I don't have time to research it. It's not like I can just find any article in the news and it will have links to it, this stuff is censored from the news.

S209 · « **Reply #81 on:** July 01, 2021, 10:04:45 AM »

Quote from: avromie7 on July 01, 2021, 10:03:30 AM

No I can't. Not because they don't exist, but because I don't have time to research it. It's not like I can just find any article in the news and it will have links to it, this stuff is censored from the news.

Oh please. Just like the lab leak was censored?

Have you entertained the possibility it just doesn’t exist?

Lurker · « **Reply #82 on:** July 01, 2021, 10:05:46 AM »

Quote from: avromie7 on July 01, 2021, 10:03:30 AM

No I can't. Not because they don't exist, but because I don't have time to research it. It's not like I can just find any article in the news and it will have links to it, this stuff is censored from the news.

If you're looking for sources, I'd start at the place that told you they exist in the first place.

aygart · « **Reply #83 on:** July 01, 2021, 10:11:00 AM »

Quote from: Lurker on July 01, 2021, 09:53:21 AM

When was the last time you had a conversation with a frum person, said the world evolution, and they didn't assume you were talking about the big bang theory? There's little nuance in the frum world.

That is EXACTLY my point. The last time was right here in this thread where @S209 replied with some asinine point about viruses.

S209 · « **Reply #84 on:** July 01, 2021, 10:13:13 AM »

Quote from: aygart on July 01, 2021, 10:11:00 AM

That is EXACTLY my point. The last time was right here in this thread where @S209 replied with some asinine point about viruses.

I didn’t make a point about viruses, I used virus evolution as an example of evolutionary principles we all know to be true. Please explain how my answer wasn’t nuanced as an answer to the question.

Lurker · « **Reply #85 on:** July 01, 2021, 10:14:29 AM »

Quote from: aygart on July 01, 2021, 10:11:00 AM

That is EXACTLY my point. The last time was right here in this thread where @S209 replied with some asinine point about viruses.

I'm not saying I agree with his response, but dismissing all theories of evolution because of big bangs and apes is wrong, too.

aygart · « **Reply #86 on:** July 01, 2021, 10:15:14 AM »

Quote from: S209 on July 01, 2021, 09:53:59 AM

When was the last time someone claimed to know the “truth” about evolution?

Is this supposed to answer something?

Lurker · « **Reply #87 on:** July 01, 2021, 10:15:40 AM »

Quote from: S209 on July 01, 2021, 10:13:13 AM

I didn’t make a point about viruses, I used virus evolution as an example of evolutionary principles we all know to be true. Please explain how my answer wasn’t nuanced as an answer to the question.

His point was that your answer was nonsensical, given that you know the lack of nuance on which the post you were responding to was based on.

avromie7 · « **Reply #88 on:** July 01, 2021, 10:16:34 AM »

Quote from: S209 on July 01, 2021, 10:04:45 AM

Oh please. Just like the lab leak was censored?

Have you entertained the possibility it just doesn’t exist?

The lab leak has overwhelming evidence in plain sight and there was no real story contradicting it, it's no wonder they had such a hard time hiding it. Global warming is more about theory and subjective interpretation of data, so all you get is 2 competing theories but the one you hear about sounds plausible. I know you keep comparing them, but I don't think it's a fair comparison. The only time you have the truth prevailing is when the evidence that is readily available is so strong, and even then it took a year and a half for anyone to admit, this doesn't show that the truth will always prevail

Definitions · « **Reply #89 on:** July 01, 2021, 10:17:46 AM »

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M218 · « **Reply #90 on:** July 01, 2021, 10:20:04 AM »

Quote from: M218 on June 29, 2021, 10:36:03 AM

The only thing that changed is, this thread is now getting warmer.

Actually I was wrong, there is global warming look how this thread got heated!

Lurker · « **Reply #91 on:** July 01, 2021, 10:20:57 AM »

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Lurker · « **Reply #92 on:** July 01, 2021, 10:21:47 AM »

Quote from: M218 on July 01, 2021, 10:20:04 AM

Actually I was wrong, there is global warming look how this thread got heated!

Exactly! This kind of global warming has been around for over 5000 years and we're all fine. Nothing to see here.

aygart · « **Reply #93 on:** July 01, 2021, 10:24:44 AM »

Quote from: S209 on July 01, 2021, 10:13:13 AM

I didn’t make a point about viruses, I used virus evolution as an example of evolutionary principles we all know to be true. Please explain how my answer wasn’t nuanced as an answer to the question.

It is a straw man answer to a question about Darwinism and Bangs and apes. I can't believe you are digging in.

Lurker · « **Reply #94 on:** July 01, 2021, 10:25:42 AM »

Quote from: aygart on July 01, 2021, 10:24:44 AM

I can't believe you are digging in.

Scale of 1-100, how much disbelief are you really in?

aygart · « **Reply #95 on:** July 01, 2021, 10:29:27 AM »

Quote from: S209 on July 01, 2021, 09:59:50 AM

Fair. Can you name any scientist armed with data who disagrees?

https://electroverse.net/the-list-scientists-who-publicly-disagree-with-the-current-consensus-on-climate-change/

Lurker · « **Reply #96 on:** July 01, 2021, 10:32:31 AM »

Quote from: aygart on July 01, 2021, 10:29:27 AM

https://electroverse.net/the-list-scientists-who-publicly-disagree-with-the-current-consensus-on-climate-change/

That this list exists, and with sources for each scientist's opinion, speaks to the fallacy of the claim that opposing views cannot be heard.

S209 · « **Reply #97 on:** July 01, 2021, 10:34:45 AM »

Quote from: aygart on July 01, 2021, 10:29:27 AM

https://electroverse.net/the-list-scientists-who-publicly-disagree-with-the-current-consensus-on-climate-change/

Your link is Exhibit A for my point. Take another look at the list.

ETA:
Here are the categories they list:

SCIENTISTS ARGUING THAT GLOBAL WARMING IS PRIMARILY CAUSED BY NATURAL PROCESSES
SCIENTISTS PUBLICLY QUESTIONING THE ACCURACY OF IPCC CLIMATE MODELS
SCIENTISTS ARGUING THAT GLOBAL WARMING WILL HAVE FEW NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES
DECEASED SCIENTISTS

There is no disagreement as to whether climate change/warming exists on some level. There are other questions, but not that fundamental question which I have been repeating over and over.

aygart · « **Reply #98 on:** July 01, 2021, 10:37:11 AM »

Quote from: Lurker on July 01, 2021, 10:32:31 AM

That this list exists, and with sources for each scientist's opinion, speaks to the fallacy of the claim that opposing views cannot be heard.

Sort of. If the scientist who take such a stand are suddenly outcasts and can no longer get studies published, speeches at conferences, or anything else not protected by tenure, that effectively silences their opinion by intimidating others from doing the same. Being relegated to the fringe sites can be a career ender. There are at least anecdotes and claims of such things happening.

aygart · « **Reply #99 on:** July 01, 2021, 10:37:37 AM »

Quote from: S209 on July 01, 2021, 10:34:45 AM

Your link is Exhibit A for my point. Take another look at the list.

There is no disagreement as to whether climate change/warming exists on some level. There are other questions, but not that fundamental question which I have been repeating over and over.

You didn't look well enough.

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