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Re: Settlers Of Catan
« Reply #30 on: April 25, 2019, 04:13:32 PM »
never played before i got married. Wife's family was really enthusiastic in teaching me how to play. That enthusiasm quickly dissipated when i started taking bribes not to put a robber on a property, and when i subsequently made sure to get a knight card at the beginning of the game as "7" insurance. If someone rolled a 7, i made it real clear that putting a robber on me would back fire as soon as it was my turn. Now i'm not invited to play anymore  ;D ;D

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Re: Settlers Of Catan
« Reply #31 on: April 29, 2019, 06:28:16 PM »
...i started taking bribes not to put a robber on a property

The rules do not include a way to transfer an asset to someone other than trading
(which has its own limitations). It sounds like you weren't playing by the rules.
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Re: Settlers Of Catan
« Reply #32 on: April 29, 2019, 08:25:45 PM »
The rules do not include a way to transfer an asset to someone other than trading
(which has its own limitations). It sounds like you weren't playing by the rules.
Seems like an entirely logical and strategic transaction. Would you rather there be more luck and less strategy? Sad.

Also its been awhile but i may have structured it as a trade. May have received something back of insignificant value.
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Re: Settlers Of Catan
« Reply #33 on: May 02, 2019, 05:33:14 PM »
Your variant of Settlers of Catan may have less luck, but it is not the game as published by its designer.
(The "(has its own limitations)" part was there for a reason.)
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Re: Settlers Of Catan
« Reply #34 on: May 02, 2019, 06:53:29 PM »
The rules do not include a way to transfer an asset to someone other than trading
(which has its own limitations). It sounds like you weren't playing by the rules.
The same logic applies to any game.

Can you make truces in risk and team up against another person.

Can you make unfair trades in monopoly moments before you go bankrupt, just to help the underdog.

Can you fold in poker in a big hand so the person who was modest to. you today gets more chips.

Etc.

There is no rule against this style game play, it just makes for dumb games.

There is a special place in...for anyone who breaks the game code of playing within in spirit of the actual game.

But hey, it was their mistake for wanting him to play in the first place.
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Re: Settlers Of Catan
« Reply #35 on: May 02, 2019, 11:32:33 PM »
The same logic applies to any game.

Can you make truces in risk and team up against another person.

Can you make unfair trades in monopoly moments before you go bankrupt, just to help the underdog.

Can you fold in poker in a big hand so the person who was modest to. you today gets more chips.

Etc.

There is no rule against this style game play, it just makes for dumb games.

There is a special place in...for anyone who breaks the game code of playing within in spirit of the actual game.

But hey, it was their mistake for wanting him to play in the first place.

so you're comparing bullying and sore losing to strategic creativity? really great analysis . 
Also, sending people to a hot place because they play a board game differently than you, might just mean you take board games a little too seriously.......

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Re: Settlers Of Catan
« Reply #36 on: May 04, 2019, 05:40:28 PM »
so you're comparing bullying and sore losing to strategic creativity? really great analysis . 
Also, sending people to a hot place because they play a board game differently than you, might just mean you take board games a little too seriously.......

Who said anything about ďa hot placeĒ? Iím sure he was referring to Cleveland, which rarely gets hot IME.

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Re: Settlers Of Catan
« Reply #37 on: May 04, 2019, 09:20:56 PM »


Who said anything about ďa hot placeĒ? Iím sure he was referring to Cleveland, which rarely gets hot IME.

You crazy or something?
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Re: Settlers Of Catan
« Reply #38 on: May 05, 2019, 02:47:54 PM »

You crazy or something?

I live in Israel. Cleveland summers barely come close to our winters.

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Re: Settlers Of Catan
« Reply #39 on: May 05, 2019, 02:59:23 PM »
I live in Israel. Cleveland summers barely come close to our winters.
Lol
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Re: Settlers Of Catan
« Reply #40 on: May 05, 2019, 03:04:28 PM »
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: Settlers Of Catan
« Reply #41 on: May 07, 2019, 04:38:55 PM »
The same logic applies to any game.

Can you make truces in Risk and team up against another person?

Can you make unfair trades in Monopoly moments before you go bankrupt, just to help the underdog?

Can you fold in poker in a big hand so the person who was modest to you today gets more chips?

Etc.

There is no rule against this style of game play, it just makes for dumb games.

There is a special place in...for anyone who breaks the game code of playing within in spirit of the actual game.

There are the rules of a specific game, and there is the social contract of game-playing;
any given action can violate one, both, or neither. I was saying that the rules of Catan were
not being followed, not that this was not how Catan (or games in general) should be played.

There are 4 categories of actions relating to a game:
1. Actions defined by the rules and which create a change in the game state. (Example: Moving a piece according to the rules.)
2. Actions not defined by the rules and which create a change in the game state. (Examples: Moving a piece not according to the rules, flipping the table.)
3. Actions not defined by the rules which do not create a change in the game state and have no influence on the game. (Example: Eating pizza.)
4. Actions not defined by the rules which do not create a change in the game state, but nevertheless have influence on the game. (Example: Deal-making, leaving.)

(Note that the Risk example quoted was in category 4, while the others were in category 1.)

A game's rules usually address only category 1 (although in some cases, such as multiplayer conflict games,
like Risk, or "social deduction" games, like Mafia/Werewolf, games may be designed around category-4 actions
being a part of the experience and they may be mentioned, though not limited by a definition, in the rules).

The social contract of game-playing has two aspects. One is the allowance of some categories of actions and not others,
while the other is the "spirit of the game," usually including the idea that each player will do their best to win the game
themselves or come as close to doing so as possible (and not try to cause a specific other player to win, known among
game players as "king-making"). How the social contract treats category-4 actions will vary by group and by specific game.
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Re: Settlers Of Catan
« Reply #42 on: January 20, 2020, 01:25:08 PM »
This is a thing:
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/282853/catan-starfarers

It's a reprint (with further development) of the 1999 stand-alone Catan game,
The Starfarers of Catan. If you have any interest, first, check the price tag.
If you're still interested, listen to episode 96 of So Very Wrong About Games.
That's a good start to making an informed decision.
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Re: Settlers Of Catan
« Reply #43 on: May 19, 2020, 04:27:30 AM »
I think it's time to advance.. which is the next Catan game I shall buy for 5-6 players.
 We all loved the settlers of Catan.
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Re: Settlers Of Catan
« Reply #44 on: May 19, 2020, 02:37:39 PM »
I think it's time to advance.. which is the next Catan game I shall buy for 5-6 players.
 We all loved the settlers of Catan.
I have explorers and pirates as well as cities and knights. Id say explorers and pirates is the biggest expansion they have and introduces you to so many more features you hardly remember its settlers. i love it . In cities and Knights it basically super enhances the original game with more features.
cities and knights uses same game board while explorers and pirates has a vastly different (much bigger) board game.

Ill get around to seafarers and traders n barbarians one day..

as an aside i also have settle the incas game but its like a knockoff of the main game( also made by makers of settlers) you can try it its interesting
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