Chanukkah question

[Baruch]

Everyone deals with this kashe of the B"Y and there are dozens of terutzim, but am I the only the one who was never bothered by the question?

Oil burned for eight days, celebrate for eight days.

+1, all my life I've secretly thought like you 

[Baruch]

I think Op has a point with his question we see lots of times  the gemara starts with, Taneh heicha ko'ee. First we need to determine the source and then we can discuss the details

I was once by a shiur of Rav Elyashiv Zt"l, and someone asked him, "why doesn't the Gemara answer over here "chisurei mechsera vehachi ketani"? He asked it in Ivrit "פעמים הגמ' אומרת חיסורי מחסרא, למה הגמ' לא אומרת כן פה", Rav Elyashiv looked at him with sharp eyes and replied ".....פעמים כן, פעמים לא, זאגט די גמ' ווייטער"


(P.S. IMHO, this has nothing to do with tana heicha ko'ee, and this seems to me to be the gemara's typical way)

[good sam]

You're trying to sound wise when you don't have an answer? read your signature buddy, For the record when i was in Brisk yeshiva the whole yeshiva was busy with this kahsua, And the founder of it is Reb Mordchie Beck, Simple ask nicely and ill try hard to explain it to you

Q. Why did the chicken cross the road?
A. To get to other side.
Q. If the questioner already knew the reason, what was his hava amina in the question?
A. The questioner in his hava amina knew the chicken wanted to get to the other side, but wanted to know why. Ka mashma lan, that to get to the other side was gufa the reason.
Q. Why would the chicken want to cross without any other reason?
Q. And furthermore, if the questioner knew that was the only reason, what was his hava amina in the question?
A. Ella mai, the questioner is not the same person and the answerer. The questioner knew that it wanted to get to the other side and was asking why. The answerer thought the question was why he was crossing in the first place, which is to get to the other side.
Q. Hashta di'asis lehachi, what is the reason it went to the other side?
A. To mate.
Q. If so, what is this coming to teach us?
A. It's coming to teach us a chicken's desire to mate is greater than its fear of death.

[12HRS]

Any ideas for an indoor activity for a 2 year old today..tons of places are closed for the 25th...NYC

[AsherO]

Q. Why did the chicken cross the road?
A. To get to other side.
Q. If the questioner already knew the reason, what was his hava amina in the question?
A. The questioner in his hava amina knew the chicken wanted to get to the other side, but wanted to know why. Ka mashma lan, that to get to the other side was gufa the reason.
Q. Why would the chicken want to cross without any other reason?
Q. And furthermore, if the questioner knew that was the only reason, what was his hava amina in the question?
A. Ella mai, the questioner is not the same person and the answerer. The questioner knew that it wanted to get to the other side and was asking why. The answerer thought the question was why he was crossing in the first place, which is to get to the other side.
Q. Hashta di'asis lehachi, what is the reason it went to the other side?
A. To mate.
Q. If so, what is this coming to teach us?
A. It's coming to teach us a chicken's desire to mate is greater than its fear of death.

The Makshan has a much stronger Svara, hence the question continues to be asked; Why, indeed, did the chicken cross the road?

[aygart]

You're trying to sound wise when you don't have an answer? read your signature buddy, For the record when i was in Brisk yeshiva the whole yeshiva was busy with this kahsua, And the founder of it is Reb Mordchie Beck, Simple ask nicely and ill try hard to explain it to you 

Why does that make the question better?

Why is this more of a question on the B"Y than on any gemora or tosfos etc?

[yelped]

Sorry, if you guys want tirutzim the first place to look is in the Bnei Yissoscher.

[David Smith]

You're trying to sound wise when you don't have an answer? read your signature buddy, For the record when i was in Brisk yeshiva the whole yeshiva was busy with this kahsua, And the founder of it is Reb Mordchie Beck, Simple ask nicely and ill try hard to explain it to you

So you're making fun of Brisk too?

[Bukboy]

Why does that make the question better?

Why is this more of a question on the B"Y than on any gemora or tosfos etc?

There's a difference between fact and "svura" did you ever heard this one? Q: how did Noach build the teiva he was blind? A: He was not blind! that's called a klutz kashua because the makshan didn't ask the question based on fact "metzius" You won't find any gemura tosfas asking such kind of a question, I think the B"Y here does, He's missing pieces of info what physically happened and based on that he's asking the kashu

[Bukboy]

The Makshan has a much stronger Svara, hence the question continues to be asked; Why, indeed, did the chicken cross the road?

+1

[Cheesecake]

So what's the answer? My kid asked me and I gotta say something....

Tell him they made very small wicks, and the nes was that the flame was as high as it normally would be, yet it lasted a whole day.

[aygart]

There's a difference between fact and "svura" did you ever heard this one? Q: how did Noach build the teiva he was blind? A: He was not blind! that's called a klutz kashua because the makshan didn't ask the question based on fact "metzius" You won't find any gemura tosfas asking such kind of a question, I think the B"Y here does, He's missing pieces of info what physically happened and based on that he's asking the kashu

The comparison is childish and silly. The problem with the kashya on Noach is that there is no reason at all to think he was blind. Over here it is only because of the question that we would say it must have happened this way.

[Bukboy]

The comparison is childish and silly. The problem with the kashya on Noach is that there is no reason at all to think he was blind. Over here it is only because of the question that we would say it must have happened this way.

And now without the B"Y question, Tell me brother what happened in the bias hamikdosh back in the days? Full details please! 

[aygart]

And now without the B"Y question, Tell me brother what happened in the bias hamikdosh back in the days? Full details please!

We don't have full details. One of the ways to figure the details out is by asking questions.

[Bukboy]

We don't have full details. One of the ways to figure the details out is by asking questions.

Incorrect, There's is difference between asking what happened to why...

[aygart]

Incorrect, There's is difference between asking what happened to why...

On what basis do you say this? The meforshai chumash very regular ask questions and based upon those questions say that things must have happened in this way or that way. This is am haaratzus not lomdus.

[Cheesecake]

We don't have full details. One of the ways to figure the details out is by asking questions.

The Bais Yosef didn't merely ask a question, he asked a kashya.

[aygart]

The Bais Yosef didn't merely ask a question, he asked a kashya.

The difference being?

[Cheesecake]

The difference being?

He obviously started with an assumption of how the metzius was which would lead one to think they should have made seven days. Or, allowed for more than one possible metzius, but thought they were all shver.

Which begs the question: since he presents three possibilities of the metzius, all of which answer the kashya, what metzius did he originally assume in the kashya?

Here is a link to the B"Y (cbc's image is fuzzy to me): http://beta.hebrewbooks.org/tursa.aspx?a=oc_x2790

[Bukboy]

He obviously started with an assumption of how the metzius was which would lead one to think they should have made seven days. Or, allowed for more than one possible metzius, but thought they were all shver.

Which begs the question: since he presents three possibilities of the metzius, all of which answer the kashya, what metzius did he originally assume in the kashya?

Here is a link to the B"Y (cbc's image is fuzzy to me): http://beta.hebrewbooks.org/tursa.aspx?a=oc_x2790

Thanks @Cheesecake for helping out, I really didn't think that we still have ppl around that don't know the difference between a question and a kashua