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By a random twist of pop corn fate, a truly disgusting hate crime was somehow connected with a Mordechai Ben David concert.

As it happens, Mordechai Ben David, of Yidden, Daddy Dear, Lichtigher Shabbos & other "controversies", turns out to be a racist.

Whether or not that makes him an idiot is up for discussion.

In other news, Mordechai Ben David is still the king.

South Africa is a beautiful place to visit, though its old flag is a symbol of its racist past. Oh, and the current Prime Minister can't count. That's not related to this thread, but it is something you should definitely know.

Midweek parev cholent was served. For a wider, more tasteless menu, please visit the "Pick your Poison" thread.
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Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
« Reply #100 on: January 05, 2017, 12:08:34 PM »
Is anyone arguing against that?

The VIN piece, Shulem, and other comments could be understood to say that
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Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
« Reply #101 on: January 05, 2017, 12:10:11 PM »
Mods need to take some action. One of the most useful threads on DDF is getting trashed.   >:( >:( >:(
Ya, someone was making new threads when we have a perfectly good one on that topic already.

No worries I merged them.
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Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
« Reply #102 on: January 05, 2017, 12:12:05 PM »
Ya, someone was making new threads when we have a perfectly good one on that topic already.

No worries I merged them.
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Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
« Reply #103 on: January 05, 2017, 12:16:00 PM »
isn't that only when referring to Ethiopians? I don't have all the nuances of Israeli slang down pat, so CMIIW please

I'm no Israeli, (neither is MBD) - I am a South African living in the USA for a while. It refers to all black people, Jews and non-Jews alike. You don't need to be an Ivrit or linguistic expert to know that when 100% of the times you've heard a specific word it has been pejorative, the word is a racist slur.
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Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
« Reply #104 on: January 05, 2017, 12:16:39 PM »
Didn't see the video. Just saw the jta article which is all over twitter
And of coarse the forward says "Ben David was performing a song about peace at the Dec. 29 concert when he told the audience: Do you know when there will be peace? In a few weeks, when there will be a new president in the United States and the kushi goes home.

The audience burst into applause."

If you listen the crowd was cheering before he added in "and the kushi goes home"
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Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
« Reply #105 on: January 05, 2017, 12:21:51 PM »
And of coarse the forward says "Ben David was performing a song about peace at the Dec. 29 concert when he told the audience: Do you know when there will be peace? In a few weeks, when there will be a new president in the United States and the kushi goes home.

The audience burst into applause."

If you listen the crowd was cheering before he added in "and the kushi goes home"
Already been discussed. Just out of curiosity how coarse was it? Lol

The popcorn is that MBD is the racist - not the crowd.


I know. JTZ had asked if the cheering was also popcorn.

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Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
« Reply #106 on: January 05, 2017, 01:01:25 PM »
The crowd cheers before he says "Kushi" - they cheer Trump, and then he slips in the racism once they are already making a huge amount of noise. Most probably didn't even hear him say it.

For context, in the world of Jewish music, MBD is as big a name as there is. This incident only shows me he is as much an idiot as he he is talented.
Nobody's disagreeing with you that the word he used was racist, and that made the whole statement racist (especially since he could've said the whole statement without using that word). Does he deserve to be called an idiot for that? IMHO by labeling him an idiot - something which has nothing to do with the current discussion - you're detracting a lot from statement, and it says a lot about you.
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Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
« Reply #107 on: January 05, 2017, 01:06:26 PM »
Nobody's disagreeing with you that the word he used was racist, and that made the whole statement racist (especially since he could've said the whole statement without using that word). Does he deserve to be called an idiot for that? IMHO by labeling him an idiot - something which has nothing to do with the current discussion - you're detracting a lot from statement, and it says a lot about you.

Putting aside what the statement says about him as a person, as a public performer, it is idiotic to say racist things, especially in front of thousands of people. It's bad for business, it caused a chilul Hashem, etc. What he did was so idiotic, it measures up to just how incredible a talent I think he is. I think the one person who would agree with me on him being an idiot is MBD.
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Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
« Reply #108 on: January 05, 2017, 01:09:46 PM »
Putting aside what the statement says about him as a person, as a public performer, it is idiotic to say racist things, especially in front of thousands of people. It's bad for business, it caused a chilul Hashem, etc. What he did was so idiotic, it measures up to just how incredible a talent I think he is. I think the one person who would agree with me on him being an idiot is MBD.
Was the statement idiotic? Absolutely! Does he think he's an idiot for saying it? Most probably. Did he think three times before he shouted (you should get that reference :) )? Highly doubt it. That still doesn't give you the right to label him an idiot, certainly not as big an idiot as he's talented!
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Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
« Reply #109 on: January 05, 2017, 01:13:09 PM »
Was the statement idiotic? Absolutely! Does he think he's an idiot for saying it? Most probably. Did he think three times before he shouted (you should get that reference :) )? Highly doubt it. That still doesn't give you the right to label him an idiot, certainly not as big an idiot as he's talented!

Meh. Idiot is as idiot does.
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Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
« Reply #110 on: January 05, 2017, 01:15:29 PM »
Meh. Idiot is as idiot does.
Well I sure hope people judge you more favorably (and based on a lifetime's worth of action, not a 2 second slip-up) than you judge others.
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Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
« Reply #111 on: January 05, 2017, 01:21:40 PM »
Well I sure hope people judge you more favorably (and based on a lifetime's worth of action, not a 2 second slip-up) than you judge others.

Please. My judgement of him as an idiot is as a racist. I will still enjoy his music, and it doesn't detract from any good he has done. If he had a lifetime of support for black people, sure, one comment wouldn't ruin that.

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Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
« Reply #112 on: January 05, 2017, 01:23:56 PM »
What happens when the thread for links to popcorn threads becomes a popcorn thread itself?
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Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
« Reply #113 on: January 05, 2017, 01:29:57 PM »
Please. My judgement of him as an idiot is as a racist. I will still enjoy his music, and it doesn't detract from any good he has done. If he had a lifetime of support for black people, sure, one comment wouldn't ruin that.
I disagree with the name calling part, I could argue it, but I have better stuff to do now. It's sad that we're in a reality where somebody can be called a name for calling somebody else a name and only one of them will be in the wrong. They're both equally wrong IMHO
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Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
« Reply #114 on: January 05, 2017, 01:32:05 PM »
I disagree with the name calling part, I could argue it, but I have better stuff to do now. It's sad that we're in a reality where somebody can be called a name for calling somebody else a name and only one of them will be in the wrong. They're both equally wrong IMHO

I think Yehuda57 is going a little far on this one, but I definitely don't agree with you. Calling a name based on a person's actions is not the same as calling names based on race.
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Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
« Reply #115 on: January 05, 2017, 01:36:08 PM »
I think Yehuda57 is going a little far on this one, but I definitely don't agree with you. Calling a name based on a person's actions is not the same as calling names based on race.
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Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
« Reply #116 on: January 05, 2017, 01:39:04 PM »
What happens when the thread for links to popcorn threads becomes a popcorn thread itself?
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Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
« Reply #117 on: January 05, 2017, 01:39:44 PM »
I disagree with the name calling part, I could argue it, but I have better stuff to do now. It's sad that we're in a reality where somebody can be called a name for calling somebody else a name and only one of them will be in the wrong. They're both equally wrong IMHO

Me calling him an idiot for screaming racism in front of thousands is the same as him being an actual racist?
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Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
« Reply #118 on: January 05, 2017, 01:41:08 PM »
how do I post a youtube video without embedding?

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« Reply #119 on: January 05, 2017, 01:42:21 PM »
how do I post a youtube video without embedding?
remove the http prefix.
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