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By a random twist of pop corn fate, a truly disgusting hate crime was somehow connected with a Mordechai Ben David concert.

As it happens, Mordechai Ben David, of Yidden, Daddy Dear, Lichtigher Shabbos & other "controversies", turns out to be a racist.

Whether or not that makes him an idiot is up for discussion.

In other news, Mordechai Ben David is still the king.

South Africa is a beautiful place to visit, though its old flag is a symbol of its racist past. Oh, and the current Prime Minister can't count. That's not related to this thread, but it is something you should definitely know.

Midweek parev cholent was served. For a wider, more tasteless menu, please visit the "Pick your Poison" thread.
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Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
« Reply #140 on: January 05, 2017, 05:09:00 PM »
in her mind, it was like asking "the blonde lady over there" where the item is...  a basic, objective description. They use it in "Missing persons alerts", too.
You're hypothesizing, I actually heard it!

ETA: it's probably as objective as the term blonde is  ;)
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Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
« Reply #141 on: January 05, 2017, 05:14:23 PM »
That's a racist symbol
only if you refer to the other as the K%^*% flag lfi aniyas dayti

oh the flag went up do we now sing Die Stem ?  :P

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Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
« Reply #142 on: January 05, 2017, 05:16:22 PM »
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After shooting the mouth off for 8 years all of a sudden they're being cautious. ::)
while shouting [Profanity] Donald Trump! [Profanity] white people!

I didnt see the video. Is this true?
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Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
« Reply #143 on: January 05, 2017, 05:19:01 PM »
Is it? How so? Just because it was the flag before apartheid was abolished?

I agree 100% that apartheid is wrong and racist. But does that flag symbolize it?

If I have friends who emigrated from a country I fondly knew as Rhodesia rather than Zimbabwe, is that racist? Is Robert Mugabe racist? How about Ian Smith?

And if something or someone is racist, should we just label them that way and avoid all intellectual discussion? Recent news has it that Mein Kampf has become a best seller in Germany. I have contemplated reading it, as I think there is much to be gained by understanding what your enemy is saying, but I have refrained as I'm unsure it's a right thing to do. Is reading it any worse or different that reading or watching the Wannseekonferenz?

Does that flag symbolize it? Yes. Because racists use it as such. So even if it wasn't a racist symbol per se, but to you was a symbol of nostalgia or whatnot, it has become one.
Is Robert Mugabe racist? Yes

I do not know about Rhodizia vs Zimbabwe - I cannot speak for the cultural implications.

Just wondering if nostalgia about having slaves in SA makes one racist...or idiots as you would call them.

Slaves was America, not South Africa. But yes, if you're nostalgic for Apartheid days specifically (not experiences you happen to have had during Apartheid) you are racist and an idiot. I hope that's not controversial.
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Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
« Reply #144 on: January 05, 2017, 05:21:10 PM »
while shouting [Profanity] Donald Trump! [Profanity] white people!

I didnt see the video. Is this true?
It was as hate-filled as you'll ever see.

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« Reply #145 on: January 05, 2017, 05:22:53 PM »
It was as hate-filled as you'll ever see.
Yes it was hate filled but I have seen a lot worse.
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Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
« Reply #146 on: January 05, 2017, 05:23:15 PM »
It was as hate-filled as you'll ever see.

the painful torture component of strangulation and ripping out hair/scalp from a mentally challenged human being whose mouth is sealed shut while kidnapped and shoved in to a corner adds to the raw agony.
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Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
« Reply #147 on: January 05, 2017, 05:25:45 PM »
Yes it was hate filled but I have seen a lot worse.
I was addressing him. Every time you watch the president-elect you see worse :P

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Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
« Reply #148 on: January 05, 2017, 05:27:11 PM »
It was as hate-filled as you'll ever see.

But it is not racism. Racism can only be "hate + privilege."*

*This is a real thing. I didn't make it up, promise.
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Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
« Reply #149 on: January 05, 2017, 05:28:33 PM »
Every time you watch the president-elect you see worse :P
Nothing he has done comes close. Hopefully in 4 years I can say the same thing.
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Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
« Reply #150 on: January 05, 2017, 05:29:18 PM »
a. But yes, if you're nostalgic for Apartheid days specifically (not experiences you happen to have had during Apartheid) you are racist and an idiot. I hope that's not controversial.
depends what party of it
Would i rather have white rule then the Kleptocracy that is going on now? In SA they've just replaced Apartheid with their own version of Apartheid. Black Empowerment. The whole BEE is one big Apartheid
Was Apartheid moral in any way shape or form? of course not...

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Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
« Reply #151 on: January 05, 2017, 05:33:40 PM »
only if you refer to the other as the K%^*% flag lfi aniyas dayti

oh the flag went up do we now sing Die Stem ?  :P

Want to know if something is racist? Look to see how or when it is used. When is that flag ever flown? At rugby games by people who are very clearly pushing a racist agenda and other overtly racist events. Ergo > flag is racist. Also, think about that flag means to any (south African) black person. Want someone to feel as sick as this flag makes them feel? that's racist. 

And you can only sing the part of Die Stem that is in the new anthem. ;-)
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Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
« Reply #152 on: January 05, 2017, 05:52:44 PM »
Want to know if something is racist? Look to see how or when it is used. When is that flag ever flown? At rugby games by people who are very clearly pushing a racist agenda and other overtly racist events. Ergo > flag is racist. Also, think about that flag means to any (south African) black person. Want someone to feel as sick as this flag makes them feel? that's racist. 


You mean in SA after 1994.

I've never been to SA myself (despite having some family there), and when I grew up, that was the SA flag I knew, and as a kid I actually thought it was nice and colorful (or colourful as I would have spelled it back then). When I posted it here, my only intention was to indicate which era my SA relative came from. No racist intentions. And despite that relative probably thinking that I am biased and racist, I can say with certainty that I am way more open minded and accepting of diversity than she is.
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Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
« Reply #153 on: January 05, 2017, 05:54:10 PM »
depends what party of it
Would i rather have white rule then the Kleptocracy that is going on now? In SA they've just replaced Apartheid with their own version of Apartheid. Black Empowerment. The whole BEE is one big Apartheid
Was Apartheid moral in any way shape or form? of course not...
As I said nostalgic for experiences that were during apartheid? Obviously not racist. Nostalgic for apartheid itself? Racist.

Acknowledging the horrors of apartheid does not mean any approval of the current government whatsoever. It's not a one or the other deal.
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Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
« Reply #154 on: January 05, 2017, 05:55:27 PM »
You mean in SA after 1994.

I've never been to SA myself (despite having some family there), and when I grew up, that was the SA flag I knew, and as a kid I actually thought it was nice and colorful (or colourful as I would have spelled it back then). When I posted it here, my only intention was to indicate which era my SA relative came from. No racist intentions. And despite that relative probably thinking that I am biased and racist, I can say with certainty that I am way more open minded and accepting of diversity than she is.
Ftr, I didn't think you were posting it as a racist symbol. I was informing you of what it has become.
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Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
« Reply #155 on: January 05, 2017, 05:56:13 PM »
And you should go! It's beautiful
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Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
« Reply #156 on: January 05, 2017, 05:56:55 PM »
As I said nostalgic for experiences that were during apartheid? Obviously not racist. Nostalgic for apartheid itself? Racist.

Acknowledging the horrors of apartheid does not mean any approval of the current government whatsoever. It's not a one or the other deal.
You, as an intelligent, thinking person, can say that. But unfortunately, the masses tend to see things as black and white (no pun intended), and hate mongers thrive upon that shortcoming of the masses.
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Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
« Reply #157 on: January 05, 2017, 06:10:10 PM »
And you should go! It's beautiful
I've been wanting to go for decades. Now that I have a large family, it is unlikely to happen unless there's a Chasuna of a close relative on DW's side, or after all my kids are grown (which could be a couple of decades from now, probably after the התגלות).
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Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
« Reply #158 on: January 05, 2017, 06:12:05 PM »
Ftr, I didn't think you were posting it as a racist symbol. I was informing you of what it has become.
yeah Dylan Roof was running around with it

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Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
« Reply #159 on: January 05, 2017, 06:14:57 PM »
yeah Dylan Roof was running around with it
So when an imbecile nincompoop does something, it creates a meaning?
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