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Re: Taharas Hamishpacha Article Discussion For The Married Folk...
« Reply #150 on: January 08, 2017, 08:53:18 PM »
Btw can anyone explain the logic in not being able to hand over a baby to the wife when she's a niddah
Question. Does halacha = logical?
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Re: Taharas Hamishpacha Article Discussion For The Married Folk...
« Reply #151 on: January 08, 2017, 08:53:28 PM »
I think a lot of people would benefit from knowing what's permitted AL pi halacha and what's just being more machmir etc.   You'd have less people completely throwing it all away and for those struggling to the degree of those in the article it could help their yiddeshkeit a lot IMO.

The Chabad minhag is to learn chapters 15-17 in reshis chochma before getting married. Someone suggested to me that the reason we learn 15 (which is about food) is to give context for 16-17 which is about married life.

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Re: Taharas Hamishpacha Article Discussion For The Married Folk...
« Reply #152 on: January 08, 2017, 08:59:21 PM »
Been there done that.
Was is a camp for the summer many years ago and the closest mik was well over an hour away. Rabbi said to use the lake.
Definitely needs direct guidance from a lor for this.
Not all lakes are the same. Most are never kosher, some may be etc etc.

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Re: Taharas Hamishpacha Article Discussion For The Married Folk...
« Reply #153 on: January 08, 2017, 09:00:02 PM »
Btw can anyone explain the logic in not being able to hand over a baby to the wife when she's a niddah
Many learn that passing objects is an extension of the issur negiah. Very logical.

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Re: Taharas Hamishpacha Article Discussion For The Married Folk...
« Reply #154 on: January 08, 2017, 09:02:01 PM »
Question. Does halacha = logical?
Depends on how you define logic.

Halacha is logical if your mind accepts the parameters. After that it's almost mathematics.

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Re: Taharas Hamishpacha Article Discussion For The Married Folk...
« Reply #155 on: January 08, 2017, 09:05:22 PM »

don't know who wrote this but before my wedding, my rebba who is very chassidish told me the same thing in essence - in yiddish of course- and he added that the one of the reasons why we make such a big celebration for our wedding is to celebrate the Gevura of a Yid where he listens to hashem when no one is watching.

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Re: Taharas Hamishpacha Article Discussion For The Married Folk...
« Reply #156 on: January 08, 2017, 09:05:45 PM »
Depends on how you define logic.

Halacha is logical if your mind accepts the parameters. After that it's almost mathematics.
You think Halacha is always logical?
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Re: Taharas Hamishpacha Article Discussion For The Married Folk...
« Reply #157 on: January 08, 2017, 09:06:16 PM »
Halacha is both rigid and flexible. There are plenty of things that were repealed or scaled down because they were too difficult.

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Re: Taharas Hamishpacha Article Discussion For The Married Folk...
« Reply #159 on: January 08, 2017, 09:08:12 PM »
You think Halacha is always logical?
I mean that we always analyse​ the sevara in each halacha in order to apply it to new scenarios. So this is a very logical exercise..


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Re: Taharas Hamishpacha Article Discussion For The Married Folk...
« Reply #160 on: January 08, 2017, 09:08:40 PM »
don't know who wrote this but before my wedding, my rebba who is very chassidish told me the same thing in essence - in yiddish of course- and he added that the one of the reasons why we make such a big celebration for our wedding is to celebrate the Gevura of a Yid where he listens to hashem when no one is watching.
It's based on a Gemara.

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Re: Taharas Hamishpacha Article Discussion For The Married Folk...
« Reply #161 on: January 08, 2017, 09:19:10 PM »
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Re: Taharas Hamishpacha Article Discussion For The Married Folk...
« Reply #162 on: January 08, 2017, 09:19:41 PM »
It's based on a Gemara.
So your saying mein rebba ken lernen ;D

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Re: Taharas Hamishpacha Article Discussion For The Married Folk...
« Reply #163 on: January 08, 2017, 09:25:21 PM »
So your saying mein rebba ken lernen ;D
היתר זה אמרו בגמרא ( סנהדרין לז., מתורגם לעברית):

אמר לו אותו מין לרב כהנא: אתם אומרים נדה מותרת להתייחד עִם בעלה[46], אפשר אש בנעורת [- בנסורת] ואינה מהבהבת (- דולקת, אוחזת[47], בוערת[48])? - אמר לו [רב כהנא]: התורה העידה עלינו 'סוּגָה בַּשּׁוֹשַׁנִּים' (שיר השירים ז, ג), שאפילו כסוגה [- מגודרת]בשושנים[49] - לא יפרצו בהן פרצות[50]. ריש לקישאמר [שהדבר נלמד] מכאן - 'כְּפֶלַח הָרִמּוֹן רַקָּתֵךְ'(שיר השירים ו, ז) אפילו ריקנים שבך [- שבעם ישראל] מלאים מצוות כרמון. רבי זירא אמר[שהדבר נלמד] מכאן - 'וַיָּרַח אֶת רֵיחַ בְּגָדָיו'(בראשית כז, כז), אל תיקרי בגדיו אלא בוגדיו".

ודבר זה, שִבחם של ישראל הוא, שאע"פ שתאווהגדולה יש בדבר, ולב בני הזוג גס אחד בשני[51]ואינם בושים זה מזו וזו מזה[52], ואין זר מבלעדיהם יודע בדבר, מ"מ נזהרים הם באזהרת התורה, ואינם נוגעים איש באשתו ואפילו באצבע קטנה[53]. ועל דבר אמרו במדרש[54]:

"סוּגָה (- מגודרת) בַּשּׁוֹשָׁנִּים" - אין המקרא אומר אלא דרשני, [וכי] יש אדם [ש]גודר שדהו בשושנים, [- הרי] דרך בני אדם [ש]גודריםכרמיהם או שדותיהם בקוצים ובדרדרים, בסירים ובחוחים (- מיני קוצים), שמא ראית אדם מימך שהוא גודר שדה בשושנים? אלא אלו הן דברי תורה שהם רכים כשושנים.כיצד? בנוהג שבעולם, אדם נושא אִשה בן שלושים שנה, בן ארבעים שנה[55], היה מתאווהלראות עצמו בתוך חופתו, אין לו יום גדול וחביב הימנו שהוא שמח עִם אשתו, הוציא יציאותיו [- הוצאות החתונה] והציע חופתו. בא להיזקק  לאשתו, והיא אומרת לו: 'כשושנה אדומה ראיתי' [- ראיתי דם אדום כשושנה]. מייד פירש הימנה, זה הופך פניו לכאן וזו הופכת פניה לכאן.מי גרם לו שלא יקרב אליה? איזה כותל ברזל יש ביניהם, ואיזה עמוד ברזל ביניהם? מי הפרישו הימנה? אי זה נחש נשכו, איזה עקרב עקצו שלא יקרב לה? אלא אלו הם דברי תורה שרכים כשושנה, שנאמר בה (ויקרא יח, יט): וְאֶל אִשָּׁה בְּנִדַּת טֻמְאָתָהּ לֹא תִקְרַב".

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Re: Taharas Hamishpacha Article Discussion For The Married Folk...
« Reply #164 on: January 08, 2017, 09:32:38 PM »
I second this. definitely has its fair share of frustrations (think botched honeymoon)
IINM the rebbe advised against the traditional honeymoon, among other things, still adjusting to new set of rules, traveling, especially to places with no LOR/community (IIUC Jerusalem wouldn't have this issue).
 IMHO combine that with odds of besulim, you're better off saving the island vacation for a couple months later