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Re: Taharas Hamishpacha Article Discussion For The Married Folk...
« Reply #380 on: October 11, 2021, 04:57:52 PM »
Mikvah.org has it

Their's is according to Chabad custom

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Re: Taharas Hamishpacha Article Discussion For The Married Folk...
« Reply #381 on: October 11, 2021, 06:27:03 PM »
The idea that an app is worse than pen and paper can only be promulgated by someone who never actually did both for a few months, IMHO

IIRC (from chosson classes) it's not a question of better or worse, it's a question of whether you fulfill the halachic requirement to keep a calendar if it's not in writing.

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Re: Taharas Hamishpacha Article Discussion For The Married Folk...
« Reply #382 on: October 11, 2021, 06:30:28 PM »
IIRC (from chosson classes) it's not a question of better or worse, it's a question of whether you fulfill the halachic requirement to keep a calendar if it's not in writing.

That is more or less what I recall to be the issue. Maybe @aygart can weigh in with insight?
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Re: Taharas Hamishpacha Article Discussion For The Married Folk...
« Reply #383 on: October 11, 2021, 07:11:09 PM »
See Chochmas Adam 112:40:

הרוצה לקיים מצות פרישה כתקונו יזהיר לכתוב תמיד יום הווסת ואז יוכל לחשוב ימי ווסתה כתקונו כך קבלתי מרבותי וכך הייתי נוהג כל ימי ולא אנה לי כל און ב"ה המקדש עמו:

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Re: Taharas Hamishpacha Article Discussion For The Married Folk...
« Reply #384 on: October 11, 2021, 07:21:29 PM »
IIRC (from chosson classes) it's not a question of better or worse, it's a question of whether you fulfill the halachic requirement to keep a calendar if it's not in writing.
pretty sure that's why the apps make sure to offer print feature

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Re: Taharas Hamishpacha Article Discussion For The Married Folk...
« Reply #385 on: October 11, 2021, 07:25:31 PM »
IIRC (from chosson classes) it's not a question of better or worse, it's a question of whether you fulfill the halachic requirement to keep a calendar if it's not in writing.
pretty sure that's why the apps make sure to offer print feature
Could the problem be that if the app does the calculating then the person is not actually counting himself?

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Re: Taharas Hamishpacha Article Discussion For The Married Folk...
« Reply #386 on: October 11, 2021, 07:53:21 PM »
IIRC (from chosson classes) it's not a question of better or worse, it's a question of whether you fulfill the halachic requirement to keep a calendar if it's not in writing.

My teacher said that the drawback to an app was someone not learning how to keep a calendar. But if you learn how to do it, he had no issue with people using the app. Having said that, My Mikvah Calendar has the following disclaimer:

Although My Mikvah Calendar makes all calculations necessary for computing your onot of separation, it is imperative to still do these calculations yourself.

The online calendar may be used as a tool for learning how to keep a calendar, as well as double checking your results. This is because there are halachic opinions that say that the obligation to record onot of separation cannot be fulfilled by a computer

I still maintain my OP in response to saying an app will cause errors

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Re: Taharas Hamishpacha Article Discussion For The Married Folk...
« Reply #387 on: October 11, 2021, 08:27:37 PM »
Their's is according to Chabad custom
Of Shitas H'rav counting to גמר הווסת rather than התחלת הווסת?

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Re: Taharas Hamishpacha Article Discussion For The Married Folk...
« Reply #388 on: October 11, 2021, 10:45:07 PM »
Of Shitas H'rav counting to גמר הווסת rather than התחלת הווסת?

I am pretty sure that you can chose which shita to follow and it will work accordingly.

Regarding the מ״מ brought here earlier, it is clear from the context that it’s not about you writing it rather it being calculated properly and back then it was writing vs making oral calculations. Using an app is (at least) the same as writing in this regard.

If there’s a mitzva of “writing” then what kind of ink/paper works? Does it work if someone writes for you?
I’m not boki in all poskim but this is what came up in my limited research.

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Re: Taharas Hamishpacha Article Discussion For The Married Folk...
« Reply #389 on: October 11, 2021, 10:59:02 PM »
I am pretty sure that you can chose which shita to follow and it will work accordingly.

You are mistaken. The site is clear that is according to Chabad custom only. I do not know what the differences are, but they state clearly that there are differences. There is one halachic setting you can change, and that is because there is a difference of opinion between Chabad poskim.

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Re: Taharas Hamishpacha Article Discussion For The Married Folk...
« Reply #390 on: October 11, 2021, 11:58:50 PM »
Regarding the מ״מ brought here earlier, it is clear from the context that it’s not about you writing it rather it being calculated properly and back then it was writing vs making oral calculations. Using an app is (at least) the same as writing in this regard.

If there’s a mitzva of “writing” then what kind of ink/paper works? Does it work if someone writes for you?
I’m not boki in all poskim but this is what came up in my limited research.
You're obviously right that there isn't any obligation to keep it in "writing", entering your dates digitally will likely suffice. However the bigger issue with that would be that you won't be able to access your calendar on Shabbos and YT, and for that it is very important to have it in writing. (Unless the app notifies you before Shabbos that there's a yom h'vest coming up, I'm not familiar with it)

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Re: Taharas Hamishpacha Article Discussion For The Married Folk...
« Reply #391 on: October 12, 2021, 12:03:08 AM »
You are mistaken. The site is clear that is according to Chabad custom only. I do not know what the differences are, but they state clearly that there are differences. There is one halachic setting you can change, and that is because there is a difference of opinion between Chabad poskim.
Maybe @ExGingi can chime in. I'm actually wondering where the differences are. (I'm aware of two, counting הפלגות לגמר הווסת and counting it with the number of עונות, not the number of days. Are there more?)

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Re: Taharas Hamishpacha Article Discussion For The Married Folk...
« Reply #392 on: October 12, 2021, 12:06:32 AM »
Maybe @ExGingi can chime in. I'm actually wondering where the differences are. (I'm aware of two, counting הפלגות לגמר הווסת and counting it with the number of עונות, not the number of days. Are there more?)

I must admit that I am rather rusty on this. Way back in the day as a Chosson I might have been more aware of the differences, by now I wasn't even aware that counting onos isn't universal. One gets used to doing things the way that's relevant to them.
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Re: Taharas Hamishpacha Article Discussion For The Married Folk...
« Reply #393 on: October 12, 2021, 12:20:17 AM »
I must admit that I am rather rusty on this. Way back in the day as a Chosson I might have been more aware of the differences, by now I wasn't even aware that counting onos isn't universal. One gets used to doing things the way that's relevant to them.
I can totally understand that. Additionally, the more kids one has, the less experience in vestos he has. :)

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Re: Taharas Hamishpacha Article Discussion For The Married Folk...
« Reply #394 on: October 12, 2021, 12:27:18 AM »
Anyone know of a good app to track vestos?

Preferably one that follows standard ashkenaz shittos/minhagim

Thanks

https://www.mikvahcalendar.com/mikvahcalendar-app/

It's quite good. I forget what the cost is

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Re: Taharas Hamishpacha Article Discussion For The Married Folk...
« Reply #395 on: October 12, 2021, 02:34:42 AM »
I am pretty sure that you can chose which shita to follow and it will work accordingly.

Regarding the מ״מ brought here earlier, it is clear from the context that it’s not about you writing it rather it being calculated properly and back then it was writing vs making oral calculations. Using an app is (at least) the same as writing in this regard.

If there’s a mitzva of “writing” then what kind of ink/paper works? Does it work if someone writes for you?
I’m not boki in all poskim but this is what came up in my limited research.
logically you'd be right.
That doesn't negate that there are rabbonim out there telling people to make sure to do on paper, and
IIRC (from chosson classes) it's not a question of better or worse, it's a question of whether you fulfill the halachic requirement to keep a calendar if it's not in writing.
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Re: Taharas Hamishpacha Article Discussion For The Married Folk...
« Reply #396 on: October 12, 2021, 02:37:46 AM »
Maybe @ExGingi can chime in. I'm actually wondering where the differences are. (I'm aware of two, counting הפלגות לגמר הווסת and counting it with the number of עונות, not the number of days. Are there more?)
not vestos, but there's something about a broader definition of בדיקות equaling ראיה דאורייתא, which comes with a stricter view of קינוח
Which might be why colored tissue isn't as much of a thing in our circles

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Re: Taharas Hamishpacha Article Discussion For The Married Folk...
« Reply #397 on: October 12, 2021, 03:20:01 AM »
not vestos, but there's something about a broader definition of בדיקות equaling ראיה דאורייתא, which comes with a stricter view of קינוח
Which might be why colored tissue isn't as much of a thing in our circles
When you say בדיקות are ראיה דאורייתא, do you mean that it has a דאורייתא status and therefore hilchos Kesamim wont apply or do you mean a ראיה דאורייתא and therefore it will be added to the chart for working out vestos (there is a minority opinion which does hold that).
I'm not sure what קינוח would have to do with the first part. All Rabbonim accross the spectrum consider a bedika to be a safek דאורייתא (of dilma argasha). There is a different machlokes regarding קינוח if it considered as a bedika or kesem. Even if one is meikel that it is considered as a kesem (and it would have to be more then a gris to be problematic), there are different opinions if tissues are mekabel tumah or not. There are some Poskim who hold that it isn't, therefore they don't require one to use colored tissue paper. Are you saying that Chabads opinion is that a קינוח is like a bedika?

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Re: Taharas Hamishpacha Article Discussion For The Married Folk...
« Reply #398 on: October 12, 2021, 08:20:32 AM »
@aygart

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Re: Taharas Hamishpacha Article Discussion For The Married Folk...
« Reply #399 on: October 12, 2021, 08:46:51 AM »
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in other words, its an average public forum :D