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Re: Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania Kevarim itinerary.
« Reply #30 on: January 22, 2017, 07:58:46 AM »
Told so by the consulate. When is your trip?
summer time
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« Reply #31 on: January 22, 2017, 08:28:13 AM »
Wow sounds like you've know eastern Europe COLD. Are you a travel agent and or how many times were you there??

I am a local (from Vilnius).

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Re: Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania Kevarim itinerary.
« Reply #32 on: January 22, 2017, 08:44:45 AM »
2:05PM ARRIVE AT KRAKOW
DRIVE TO AUSCHWITZ (1 HOUR) (Oświęcimia 20, 32-603 Oświęcim) 3.5 HOUR GUIDED TOUR
DRIVE TO KRAKOW – THE SHUL OF REMA – (Szeroka 40, 30-001 Kraków, Poland) KEVARIM (BACH, TOSFOT Y”T)
SLEEP IN SHERATON GRAND KRAKOW
TUESDAY
DRIVE TO RYMANOW
DRIVE TO LEZAJSK (Ul. Targowa 6,  37-300 Lezajsk) NOAM ELIMELECH
3PM RZE TO WAW (55MIN) LOT AIR $24
4PM ARRIVE IN WARSAW
DRIVE TO JEWISH CEMETERY OF GUR (SEFAT EMET, CHIDUSHEI HARIM)
DRIVE TO JEWISH CEMETERY WARSAW (BES HALEVI, NETZIV)
SLEEP IN WARSAW – THE WESTIN WARSAW
Will only comment on the Poland part since I was there a few times recently.
Your driving times look to be very aspirational! Many of the Polish roads are one lane in each direction and you can easily lose an hour/hour and a half due to an accident or just rush hour traffic.

If you have a group for Auschwitz, you have to be in touch with them in advance to get a guide! If you are less than 10 people (I think that is the number) you can join an existing guided tour but make sure they have one in English for the time you want to go and book tickets in advance or else it may fill up.

Assuming you arrive at Auschwitz 3:15-3:30 PM, it will still take you time to get in, get past security (airport style), pick up your tickets and get the group to start moving. (I would say 25-40 minutes for everything).
Don't forget that Auschwitz is a regular museum and closes at some point so make sure to find out what time they are open until.

If you are going to Auschwitz, you should also go to Birkenau (Auschwitz 2) which is a 5 minute drive from Auschwitz 1. Birkenau is a lot more authentic than Auschwitz and feels a lot less like a museum. Many people would tell you that if you can only do one, do Birkenau instead of Auschwitz. Birkenau does not offer guided tours as far as I know but it is well worthwhile to bring your own guide for that part.

You should figure 2:30-3:00 for Birkenau. If you do both Auschwitz and Birkanau, figure about 5:00-7:00 hours total. Birkenau also closes at some point so figure that one out as well.

One way or another, I don't know if the RAMA shul and cemetery will be open by the time you get to Krakow so check to make sure.
As others said, there are 3-4 more shuls worth seeing ounce you go all the way to Krakow such as the Issac shul, the Kupa shul and the Temple shul (orthodox despite the name) which is STUNNING!!!
You can get a 2:30-3:00 hour guided tour of all the shuls and of the old Jewish city of Krakow.

It is also worth going to the Plaszow concentration camp (the one featured in Schindler's lists) and davening at Sara Scnirar's kever which is in the camp.

I really think you should add a day to your trip to get all the Krakow stuff done.

What are you doing for Kosher food?

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Re: Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania Kevarim itinerary.
« Reply #33 on: January 22, 2017, 08:48:54 AM »
I am a local (from Vilnius).
You live there now?
We need to make a Vilnius DO!

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Re: Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania Kevarim itinerary.
« Reply #34 on: January 22, 2017, 01:25:22 PM »
Will only comment on the Poland part since I was there a few times recently.
Your driving times look to be very aspirational! Many of the Polish roads are one lane in each direction and you can easily lose an hour/hour and a half due to an accident or just rush hour traffic.

If you have a group for Auschwitz, you have to be in touch with them in advance to get a guide! If you are less than 10 people (I think that is the number) you can join an existing guided tour but make sure they have one in English for the time you want to go and book tickets in advance or else it may fill up.

Assuming you arrive at Auschwitz 3:15-3:30 PM, it will still take you time to get in, get past security (airport style), pick up your tickets and get the group to start moving. (I would say 25-40 minutes for everything).
Don't forget that Auschwitz is a regular museum and closes at some point so make sure to find out what time they are open until.

If you are going to Auschwitz, you should also go to Birkenau (Auschwitz 2) which is a 5 minute drive from Auschwitz 1. Birkenau is a lot more authentic than Auschwitz and feels a lot less like a museum. Many people would tell you that if you can only do one, do Birkenau instead of Auschwitz. Birkenau does not offer guided tours as far as I know but it is well worthwhile to bring your own guide for that part.

You should figure 2:30-3:00 for Birkenau. If you do both Auschwitz and Birkanau, figure about 5:00-7:00 hours total. Birkenau also closes at some point so figure that one out as well.

One way or another, I don't know if the RAMA shul and cemetery will be open by the time you get to Krakow so check to make sure.
As others said, there are 3-4 more shuls worth seeing ounce you go all the way to Krakow such as the Issac shul, the Kupa shul and the Temple shul (orthodox despite the name) which is STUNNING!!!
You can get a 2:30-3:00 hour guided tour of all the shuls and of the old Jewish city of Krakow.

It is also worth going to the Plaszow concentration camp (the one featured in Schindler's lists) and davening at Sara Scnirar's kever which is in the camp.

I really think you should add a day to your trip to get all the Krakow stuff done.

What are you doing for Kosher food?
Thanks for the info!!
Do you know any tour guide that is good for Birkenau?
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Re: Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania Kevarim itinerary.
« Reply #35 on: January 22, 2017, 01:32:01 PM »
What's total cost cash + points all in (incl food, sprinter, guides etc.)?

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« Reply #36 on: January 22, 2017, 01:35:50 PM »
What's total cost cash + points all in (incl food, sprinter, guides etc.)?
75k united and $750
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Re: Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania Kevarim itinerary.
« Reply #37 on: January 22, 2017, 01:54:07 PM »
Below is what i planned. Let me know if this sounds ok. (very intense)

SUNDAY

4:35PM WARSAW TO RZESZOW (55MIN)
5:30PM ARRIVE AT RZESZOW
DRIVE TO LEZAJSK (30 MIN) NOAM ELIMELECH
DRIVE TO KRAKOW (2 HOURS) SLEEP IN SHERATON GRAND KRAKOW
Lancut is right near Lezajsk. That is where the Ropshitzer Ruv is.

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« Reply #38 on: January 22, 2017, 01:57:03 PM »
Lancut is right near Lezajsk. That is where the Ropshitzer Ruv is.
Thanks will add.
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« Reply #39 on: January 22, 2017, 05:03:47 PM »
What are you doing for kosher food?

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« Reply #40 on: January 22, 2017, 07:19:15 PM »
What are you doing for kosher food?
we are beinging and wherever we stay there is kosher so far krakow, warsaw, kiev,
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« Reply #41 on: January 22, 2017, 08:51:22 PM »
Navahrudak/Novardok, and Grodno (R' Shimon Shkop & R' Alexander Ziskind z"l ("Yesod Ve'shoresh Ha'avodah").
Where is R' Alexander Ziskind burried?

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« Reply #42 on: January 22, 2017, 08:54:59 PM »
Navahrudak/Novardok, and Grodno (R' Shimon Shkop & R' Alexander Ziskind z"l ("Yesod Ve'shoresh Ha'avodah").

Do you have exact locations?
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« Reply #43 on: January 23, 2017, 07:47:33 AM »
Where is R' Alexander Ziskind burried?

R' Alexander Ziskind zt'l & R' Shimon Shkop zt'l is buried in Grodno, in the Jewish cemetery of Zaniemanski Forshtat. (It's a bit tricky to find 53°40'42"N   23°48'7"E , look at google maps earth, it's in a forest below.) There were two other cemeteries in Grodno, but they were totally destroyed by the Soviets in 1958, ( One was leveled and dug up and replaced by a sports complex, and another was also destroyed by the Soviets).   

I was there a few years ago, and the cemetery is in bad condition. There is an old couple that lives there and hangs their laundry on the tombstones... Rav Nachum'ka zt'l (the rebbe of Chofetz Chaim zt'l)  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nachum_Kaplan is also buried in Grodna, but I assume in one of the cemeteries that were destroyed.

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« Reply #44 on: January 23, 2017, 08:15:44 AM »
Navahrudak/Novardok, and Grodno (R' Shimon Shkop & R' Alexander Ziskind z"l ("Yesod Ve'shoresh Ha'avodah").

Do you have exact locations?

Radin cemetery is at 54.0400° N  24.9681° E

Grodno cemetery is at 53°40'42"N   23°48'7"E -- but from your schedule, you wouldn't have time to go there or anywhere else other than Valozhyn which would be on the way from Minsk to Radun.

In Novardok there is a Jewish cemetery that's in bad condition. Majority of the stones were removed by the soviets to build nearby garages and pavements.  There is some stones from the alter of Novardok's family.

Only thing to see in Novardok is the museum about the ghetto prisoners who escaped from their barracks by digging a 250-metre tunnel, joining the Bielski brothers/partisans in the forests). I went there with a friend, bringing sefer Medregas Ha'adam along, taking pictures by the Novardok town sign. Interesting to read is that Jared Kushner's grandparents are from the survivors, as he wrote in http://observer.com/2016/07/jared-kushner-the-donald-trump-i-know

Maybe I should organize a week tour of Belarus and Lithuania myself :)