Keeping Up With The Kushners

[Redbull3]

If a convert never kept shabbos, they are not Jewish. If someone both to a Jewish mother never kept shabbos, they are Jewish. That can be referred to as converts being held on a higher standard.

A convert's actions post conversion can make them retroactively not jewish?

[David Smith]

No

[aygart]

Isn't her adherence based on the teachings of the Rabbi doing the conversion?
Example: Rabbi says it is not mandatory to cover your hair in public.

Also once she goes through the process and it is completed who here has the right to say she is not a Jew?

Sort of. It is extremely complicated which is part of why it is very controversial.

[JTZ]

The process itself does not turn one Jewish unless the acceptance was there beforehand. If her Rabbi tells her something required by Judaism is outdated, then her acceptance at the time of conversion was lacking.

What if she accepts everything and follows it as explain to her by the Rabbi? It seems this really should be about the Rabbi that did the conversion and she is just the scapegoat.

[thaber]

I skimmed through this,  so forgive me if I missed anything,  but I heard Eric Trump say that everyone slept over at the WH,  and that had been the plan.
Not sure if anyone here learnt hilchos geirus,  but if she was mekabel what the Beis DIn told her to be mekabel she is considered a ger tzedek lekula Alma. Unfortunately it's not terribly rare for that to only be a basic shabbos kashrus taharas hamishpacha.

[Redbull3]

If a convert never kept shabbos, they are not Jewish. If someone both to a Jewish mother never kept shabbos, they are Jewish. That can be referred to as converts being held on a higher standard.

A convert's actions post conversion can make them retroactively not jewish?

No

Didn't think so. Can you explain your first quote then? In what way is the convert being held to a higher standard? After conversion, a jew is a jew. I don't think they could disqualify themselves.

[JTZ]

No one can ever accuse me of not defending Trump. 

[grodnoking]

What if she accepts everything and follows it as explain to her by the Rabbi? It seems this really should be about the Rabbi that did the conversion and she is just the scapegoat.

It really should be.

[David Smith]

What if she accepts everything and follows it as explain to her by the Rabbi? It seems this really should be about the Rabbi that did the conversion and she is just the scapegoat.

Then the Rabbi is not religious and she is not Jewish. If someone gives you a cookbook with bad recipes, it's the fault of the author, but that doesn't change the fact that your food is inedible. She may also be a victim, as may the Rabbi be a victim of his upbringing and background.

[thaber]

@JTZ You asked a few times and didn't get an answer - no reason for her to not be photographed (unless she asked them to) in shabbos

[JTZ]

@JTZ You asked a few times and didn't get an answer - no reason for her to not be photographed (unless she asked them to) in shabbos

TY! Any chance to write this so I can understand it?

I skimmed through this,  so forgive me if I missed anything,  but I heard Eric Trump say that everyone slept over at the WH,  and that had been the plan.
Not sure if anyone here learnt hilchos geirus,  but if she was mekabel what the Beis DIn told her to be mekabel she is considered a ger tzedek lekula Alma. Unfortunately it's not terribly rare for that to only be a basic shabbos kashrus taharas hamishpacha.

[David Smith]

Didn't think so. Can you explain your first quote then? In what way is the convert being held to a higher standard? After conversion, a jew is a jew. I don't think they could disqualify themselves.

A convert is watched to see whether there was ever indication of religious acceptance, a factor which is irrelevant by someone born Jewish.

[Redbull3]

A convert is watched to see whether there was ever indication of religious acceptance, a factor which is irrelevant by someone born Jewish.

Watched by who? I was told all jews deserve benefit of the doubt.
Maybe I'm taking things the wrong way but I'm going to have to back out of this thread.

[JTZ]

Then the Rabbi is not religious and she is not Jewish. If someone gives you a cookbook with bad recipes, it's the fault of the author, but that doesn't change the fact that your food is inedible. She may also be a victim, as may the Rabbi be a victim of his upbringing and background.

I understand all that. I am working off the conversion was legit. You are saying it wasn't?

[JTZ]

A convert is watched to see whether there was ever indication of religious acceptance...

...and for her the result was?

[aygart]

What if she accepts everything and follows it as explain to her by the Rabbi? It seems this really should be about the Rabbi that did the conversion and she is just the scapegoat.

Very much so, but do you think she would have converted if the standards were _______________?

[jj1000]

...and for her the result was?

That's for the converting beis din to decide. And if some orthodox circles don't accept that beis din as legitimate they will not accept anyone that converted through them as Jewish.

[Cheesecake]

I understand all that. I am working off the conversion was legit. You are saying it wasn't?

My understanding is that the conversion was legit, and at this point they are held to the same standard.

I certainly hope all of the reports of Shabbos violation are alternative facts.

[jj1000]

Has anyone asked Rabbi Schwartz from the CRC if she's Jewish? He's a genius when it comes to geirus.

[JTZ]

My understanding is that the conversion was legit, and at this point they are held to the same standard.

I certainly hope all of the reports of Shabbos violation are alternative facts.

So lets assume it was legit. If now she violated all 613 commandments she would still be a Jew, correct?